znanwalla wrote:Islamic theology
Translation of the Quran has always been a problematic and difficult issue in Islamic theology and which you concede....but you are still trying to convince the readers that Allah is merely representing his Majesty and Glory....
So why then there isn't any consistency in this regard, on his part, if you will ? if using the plural is showing Majesty and Glory then using just "I" is what? it's opposite? kindly explain in simple terms.
Since Muslims revere the Qur'an as miraculous and inimitable (i'jaz al-Qur'an), they argue that the Qur'anic text can not be reproduced in another language or form....
Your theologians are unable to put the chronological order correctly until now ...so then are you suggesting that the chronological order of the arabic text is not the same as any other translation? enlighten please !
Scholars in your fold claim that certain passages of the Quran are abrogated by verses having a different meaning or revealed thereafter...but if the chronological order is incorrect to begin with how does one correctly establish all this? and who does this in absence of the Holy Prophet?
Furthermore, an Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on the context, making an accurate translation even more difficult.[1]
According to al-Suyuti verse 2:240 is abrogated by verse 234..now how can an earlier verse abrogate a later one? so it is clear that the scribes messed up the chronological sequence of what they compiled and they have simply caused confusion across the board?.
Now tell me please ! Is the noble Quran "time bound"? or is it the "eternal" word of God?
Is it fitting for you guys to say that an all powerful and omniscient and Omnipotent God should have to revise and revise HIS Commands so many times?
And is such a revision done to only the translations without the arabic text (which you claim is perfect) also being affected? Yes or No ?
Does Allah have to withdraw and substitute? if so why? if it is the eternal word of God then does man have the authority to meddle with it? if so why? and who gave this authority to them?
How can you guys allow such a compromising position or procedure to be allowed to be introduced into your own system to pursue your own sectarian agenda?
You have got yourself into one heck of a jam bud ! are your folks suggesting to us that Allah was unable to get it right the first time?
According to modern Islamic theology, the Qur'an is a revelation very specifically in Arabic, and so it should only be recited in the Arabic language.
Translations into other languages are necessarily the work of humans and so, according to Muslims, no longer possess the uniquely sacred character of the Arabic original.
Since these translations necessarily subtly change the meaning, they are often called "interpretations." ...now how does a book compiled by scribes be taken as the original Quran? many scribes had even died...the Texts have undergone revisions....Caliph Utman compiled his own version and ordered all previous codices to be destroyed...right?
TO CONTINUE WITH THE THEME...
For instance, Pickthall called his translation The Meaning of the Glorious Koran rather than simply The Koran.
The task of translation is not an easy one; some native Arab-speakers will confirm that some Qur'anic passages are difficult to understand even in the original Arabic.
A part of this is the innate difficulty of any translation; in Arabic, as in other languages, a single word can have a variety of meanings.
There is always an element of human judgment involved in understanding and translating a text.
This factor is made more complex by the fact that the usage of words has changed a great deal between classical and modern Arabic.
As a result, even Qur'anic verses which seem perfectly clear to native speakers accustomed to modern vocabulary and usage may not represent the original meaning of the verse.
The original meaning of a Qur'anic passage will also be dependent on the historical circumstances of the prophet Muhammad's life and early community in which it originated.
Investigating that context usually requires a detailed knowledge of Hadith and Sirah, which are themselves vast and complex texts. ..so what about the ahadith Rejectors then?
This introduces an additional element of uncertainty which can not be eliminated by any linguistic rules of translation.
So it is clear there were hecklers in those days who were persistent in getting it all wrong because they were ignorant or dishonest
Folks sure have a convenient doctrines which appear to be their salient features !
According to al-Suyuti the number of abrogated verses has been estimated at atleast few hundred....according to one another atleast 200 verses have been cancelled by later ones....in any event the issue of "abrogation" is well known ...so if Allah is all-knowing and Glorious and powerful, then what is the need to withdraw or substitute? what is the MOTIVE?
Thus we indeed have a strange situation here where the entire Quran is being recited as the word of God by you folks - you bark incessantly at all of us and yet you are claiming in the same breath that some verses are abrogated and so no longer valid and so what nonsense is all this?
This doctrine makes a mockery of the Muslim dogma that the noble Quran is faithful and an unalterable "reproduction' of the original scriptures which you claim are preserved in the heaven !!! so how do you guys know what is actually preserved IN THE HEAVEN WILL MATCH THE MAN MADE TEXTS ?
If God's words are eternal and uncreated and of universal significance as Quran was a criterion for entire mankind and not just for Muslims, how can anyone even talk of God's words being superseded or becoming obsolete, to begin with ?
Now which TEXT do you follow? one approved by Saudi? or the One approved by Tehran? or India? or Pakistan? which one ? why is everyone not at least following just ONE single BOOK ? The prophet is ONE ! The BOOK is also just ONE ( I mean the Book of Allah ) and Allah is also ONE ! so why do muslims not have ONE BOOK? and then we make excuses and excuses and justifications of all kinds?
You still haven't explained to me why Allah had to send 109 additional suras to mankind if HE had perfected Islam as early as the 5th Sura? or does this ayah is placed elsewhere in your arabic text?
Why are all the longer Suras in front and the shorter ones at the end? is this how this appears only in the translations? No !
Now Allah says HIS Book is flawless and perfect in all respect...so what conclusion do you want me to draw?
I will tell you why there is WE/US/OURS but later on....lets hear you give me some logical answers to the above first....
I don't think you've been reading my posts. It seems you just want to lash out your tongue. You may call it blunt, I call it rude. anyways...Please read my post above AND below before you start calling my arguments illogical.
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The Lie Of Quranic Abrogation
The biggest lie against the Quran - Part 1
By - A. Muhammad
The abrogation of Quranic verses, arguably the greatest lie against the Quran, was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.
According to this concept, it is claimed that some verses in the Quran are abrogated and invalidated by other verses!
The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).
These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.
Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by anti-Quranic writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book.
Abrogations or Contradictions?
As mentioned, the abrogation concept implies that some Quranic verses have been abrogated by other verses. On the other hand, the anti-Quranic writers claim that these cases, and other cases they put forward, are in fact contradictions inside the Quran. Consequently, they use these cases as evidence to refute the divinity of the Quran.
It is noted that the examples used by Muslim scholars as ‘abrogated verses’ are not always the verses used by non-Muslim writers and which they simply refer to as ‘contradictions in the Quran’.
Although it can be said that the common aspect shared by the two groups is their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it can also be added that in the case of the non-Muslim writers, and particularly those who do not speak Arabic, we often find many of their claims for contradictions to be a product of their acquisition of corrupted and misleading translations of the Quran.
Both of these types of false claims can be dealt with in the light of the Quran. It can be demonstrated that these claims are no more than cases of poor understanding of the book.
Abrogation claims of Muslim Scholars
11:1 A.L.R, a Scripture whose verses have been made governing, then detailed, from One who is Wise, Expert.
10:64 For them are glad tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. There is no changing the words of God. Such is the great success
These Quranic state clearly that God's words have been perfected and cannot be abrogated, yet sadly these Muslim scholars have invented the greatest lie about the Quran, claiming that there are verses in the Quran that abrogate and invalidate other verses.
They base their claim on a corrupted interpretation of two verses:
FIRST VERSE 2:106
"Whichever Ayah We nansakh or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?" 2:106
What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret Ayah in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran. And they interpret the word nansakh as to mean to abrogate. But does that word as used in the Quran truly mean abrogate?
Here we have to examine the correct meanings of both words: "nansakh" and "ayat" as used by God in 2:106
First: The word "ayat"
The word Ayah, as used in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:
a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:
"And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayahs (miracles)." 17:101
b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:
"And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and set an Ayah (example) of them for all people."25:37
c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:
"He said, ‘My Lord, give me an Ayah (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights." 19:10
d- It could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:
"This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its Ayat (verses)." 38:29
Now if we consider verse 106 of Sura 2, it can easily be verified that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) but not a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:
The words "cause to be forgotten" could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could never be forgotten.
The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it!
If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 106 meant a miracle, an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words "cause to be forgotten"can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.
Similarly the words "We replace with its equal or with that which is greater" is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :
"And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah’s they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it." 43:46-48
Second: The word "nansakh"
The word "nansakh" which is used in 2:106 comes from the verb "nasakha". It has been claimed that this word in 2:106 means abrogate. However, on closer inspection of all the Quranic verses which use this word it can be found that this word means quite the opposite. For full details please check the following page:
http://www.quran-islam.org/252.html
SECOND VERSE 16:101
"When We substitute one Ayat (revelation) in place of another, and God is fully aware of what He reveals, they say, 'You made this up'. Indeed most of them do not know"
The substitution spoken of here is concerned with one of two things:
a- The substitution of one Scripture in place of another.
This first meaning is given evidence to in the following verse:
"Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them." 5:48
Here, the words "superseding them" confirm that the previous scripture were substituted with the Quran.
b- The substitution of one law within one Scripture with another in a subsequent Scripture
This second meaning is also given evidence to in the Quran where various issues that were prohibited to the previous people of the book were made lawful in the Quran.
As an example, we are told in 2:187 that sexual intercourse between married couples during the nights of the fasting month was made lawful, while it was prohibited previously.
We are also told in 6:146 that God prohibited for the Jews all animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep the fat was prohibited. These were made lawful in the Quran.
This verse 16:101 does not speak about the substitution of one verse in the Quran with another.
The evidence to that is given within the same verse (16:101):
The key to the meaning of the verse lies in the words:
"........they say, 'You made this up"
Here we must stop and ask, who is likely to tell the messenger "You made this up" ? and why? For sure it cannot be his followers, his followers are not likely to tell him "You have made it up"....it has to be those who do not believe in him, which focuses on the followers of previous scripture who feared that their scripture was in danger of being "substituted" with the Quran...
What more evidence to that more than the fact that till this day, the Jews and Christians accuse Muhammad that he fabricated the Quran himself!
Once it is established that this verse speaks of reaction and words of the disbelievers, then the next question is would be .... are they accusing Muhammad of substituting one verse in the Quran with another? The Jews and Christians do not care if one verse in the Quran is substituted for another, after all they do not believe in the whole book... they will not complain that one verse in the Quran is being substituted with another!
However, if they fear that their Scripture is being substituted by the Quran, they will immediately accuse the messenger that the Scripture he brings (Quran) is not from God but that he "made it up" himself.
These glorious words "You have made it up" indeed stand as true indicator from God Almighty that the substitution spoken of in this verse is not related to one within the Quran, but indeed a substitution between one scripture and another.
As mentioned before, the substitution of the previous scripture with the Quran is confirmed in 5:48
As a result of the corruption of the meaning of 2:106 and 16:101, and the claim that some Quranic verses invalidate other verses, the interpreters have demonstrated their failure to uphold two main characteristics of the Quran, those being that the Quran is perfect and harbours no contradictions (11:1) and also that the words of God are unchangeable (10:64).
It is well worth inquiring here into the motive behind the interpreters corruption of the meaning of 2:106 and 16:101.
Note from FreeQuranOnline: If you found this article thought-provoking read the conclusion of the article in Abrogation claims of Muslim Scholars - Part 2 .
http://freequranonline.org/quranic-abrogation
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Part 2: The Lie Of Quranic Abrogation
By - A. Muhammad
This article continues from The biggest lie against the Quran - Part 1. Click the link to read the first part.
Abrogation claims of Muslim Scholars - Part 2
Perhaps the major reason is not connected to the Quran at all but to the ‘hadith’. It is well accepted among the hadith scholars that the concept of abrogation applies to the hadith since it is found that many ‘hadith’ contradict one another. The examples of these are too numerous. The following are only some examples:
P.S. (the first number is the number of the book (chapter), and second number is the number of hadith. For example Muslim 18/58 means the 58th hadith in the 18th book of Muslim. In other quotations the name of the chapter is given instead of its number.
1- "I am the most honourable messenger" (Bukhary 97/36).
This hadith contradicts the following hadith:
"Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah" (Bukhary 65/4,5; Hanbel 1/205,242,440).
2- "The Prophet never urinated in standing position" (Hanbel 6/136,192,213). This contradicts:
"The prophet urinated in standing position" (Bukhary 4/60,62).
3- The prophet said, "The sun was eclipsed the day Ibrahim (the prophet’s son) died"… (Bukhary 7/page 118)
This contradicts:
The prophet said, "the sun and moon are signs from God, they are not eclipsed for the death or life of any one" (Bukhari 2/page 24)
4- "If two Muslims fight each other with their swords, the killer and the killed will go to hell" (Bukhari 1/page 13, Muslim 18/page 10).
This hadith contradicts the hadith of the ten who were foretold that they will go to heaven by the prophet (Ahmad 1/page 187-188, also narrated by Abu Dawood and Al-Tarmazy). That is because among those ten were those who fought and killed one another in battle, specifically Ali, Talha and Al-Zobair. According to the first hadith they will go to hell but accoding to the second hadith they are foretold paradise!
5- In various hadith, specifically in the chapters of the ‘Hereafter’ in the books of Bukhary and Muslim we read numerous predictions by the prophet detailing what will take place there. This contradicts the hadith by Aesha, the prophet’s wife where she says "Anybody who says that Muhammad knows the future is a liar" (Bukhary 8/ page 166, Muslim 3/ page 9-10)
6- The prophet said, "Take your religion from the words of Aesha (the prophet’s wife)"
This contradicts: The prophet said, "Aesha is immature in mind and faith." (Bukhari and others)
The heart of the matter is directly connected to the following verse:
"Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from a source other than God, they would have detected within it numerous contradictions." 4:82
This verse confirms that anything that contains contradictions cannot be from God, and since the hadith contains numerous contradictions, as shown, it cannot be from God. But the hadith advocates claim that the hadith was inspired by God and that the hadith Al-Qudsy is God’s own words spoken to Muhammad! If that is so, how could they explain the contradictions in hadith? How could it be from God when it is full of contradictions? According to 4:82 nothing that contains contradictions can be from God.
To wiggle out of this tricky situation, the hadith advocates devised the concept of the abrogation of Quranic verses.
The plan was as such: If the Quran can be shown to contain contradictory verses, yet no one will dispute that it is from God, then the hadith with its contradictions can also be described to be inspired by God.
Quite a sly plot except for one minor detail:
The Quran contains no Contradictions
To follow, is a review of some of the better known cases of abrogation and, God willing, a verification of the fact that all these claims are based upon poor understanding of the Quran. Each case presented will be accompanied by Quranic evidence that confirms the absence of any contradiction between the relevant verses, and as a result will expose the interpreter’s poor understanding of the Quran.
Claims of Abrogation
Case one:
The first case is concerned with the following verses:
ABROGATED : "Whether you declare your inner thoughts or you conceal them, God holds you accountable to them." 2:284
ABROGATOR "God never burdens any soul beyond its means, to its credit is what it earns, and against it is what it commits." 2:286
The claim is that these two verses contradict one another, the first verse states that God holds people accountable to their intentions while as the second verse indicates that we are only accountable to our deeds. Faced with this apparent contradiction, the scholars resolved by declaring that verse 286 invalidates and cancels out verse 284. In other words, what we do not understand, or what gives us problems in interpreting, we simply obliterate.
Although, and on first impression, it indeed looks like there is a good case for abrogation here, yet, we only have to read the verse immediately before verse 284 to realise that there is no contradiction between 284 and 286:
The last words of verse 283 together with verse 284 read as follows:
"Anyone who withholds a testimony is sinful at heart. God is fully aware of everything you do. To God belongs everything in the heavens and the earth, Whether you declare your inner thoughts or conceal them, God holds you accountable for them."
By reading the two verses together it becomes apparent that the subject of verse 284 is testimony and not one’s intentions in general.
Verse 284 confirms that God holds those who conceal a testimony accountable. Furthermore, the words used in verse 284 are ‘declare’ and ‘conceal’ while as the words used in verse 286 are ‘earn’ and ‘commit’. The words ‘declare’ and ‘conceal’ are consistent with the subject of testimony. Testimony can indeed be declared or concealed. On the other hand, the words ‘earn’ and ‘commit’ which are used in verse 286 speak of our deeds.
Indeed verses 283 and 284 are related to the same subject (withholding testimony) since they are consecutive. For all that, it becomes clear that there is not the slightest contradiction between verses 284 and 286.
According to 284, we learn that God holds people accountable for concealing a testimony. The verse does not speak of intentions. On the other hand, verse 286 speaks about a completely different issue, that being ones deeds. The assumed contradiction is false.
Case two:
ABROGATED
"Surely those who believe, and the Jews, and the Christians and the
Sabaeans, those among them who believe in God and the hereafter, and
who works righteous deeds, will receive their recompense from their
Lord, they have nothing to fear nor will they grieve"2:62
ABROGATOR
"Whoever seeks other than Islam as his religion, it will not be
accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be with the losers"3:85
Here, the claim is that while verse 2:62 says that some Jews and Christians will be rewarded, this was abrogated by 3:85 which states that all who are not Muslim will end up in hell.
Once again, the misunderstanding and poor interpretation here stems from the inability to comprehend the simple meaning of the word Islam (Submission to God). In spite of the fact that God tells us in the Quran that Islam (Submission to God) is as old as Abraham who was the first Muslim (see 2:128, 2:131, 2:133) and who was the first to name us Muslims (22:7, still the Muslim scholars today insist that Islam is confined to being the religion Muhammad and the religion of the Quran !!!
By creating such a false statement, the Muslim scholars claim to be the custodians of the message! In 3:67 God specifically tells us that Abraham was neither Jewish nor Christian, but a monotheist Muslim. God also tells us in 5:111 that Jesus and the Disciples were Muslim. In 27:44 tells us that Solomon was Muslim and in 5:44 we are told of all the prophets who were given the Torah and who were all Muslim.
What all these verses are confirming is that there are Muslims who followed the Torah and the Bible and who knew nothing of the Quran. These Muslims were submitters to God Alone , Lord of the universe.
In effect the religion of Islam which was originally founded by Abraham can be found, not only in the Quran, but also in the Torah and the Bible. After all we are told that all the foundations of the religion, and which Muslims call the pillars of Islam were first given to Abraham.
The Quran confirms the true meaning of a Muslim, as being he who submits to God Alone and obeys the law of God Alone, and should not be confined to he who follows the Quran.
Those among the Christians who believe in the Oneness of God and who do not worship Jesus are Muslim in the sight of God. Similarly those among any other religion who submit to God Alone and who set up no idols to partner Almighty God are Muslim in the sight of God.
All these have their recompense from their Lord and have nothing to fear (2:62). These people are also the subject of 3:85 since they chose to be Muslim (submitters) to God. They could be Muslim submitters, Jewish submitters, Christian submitters …..etc.
Consequently, there is no contradiction between 2:62 and 3:85
Case Three:
Some of the most ridiculous cases of abrogation are connected with the inability of these scholars to understand that some laws set by God make allowance for exceptions. Whenever the scholars see a law that makes allowance for an exception, they construe it as a case of abrogation!
There are many cases throughout the Quran of this poor deduction and total irrationality, the following are some examples:
1- In 4:19 God address’s the men by saying:
"You shall not force them (the women) to give up anything you have given them, unless they commit a proven adultery"
Here the abrogation claim is that the first part of the verse "You shall not force them (women) to give up anything you have given them" has been abrogated by the second part of the verse "unless they commit a proven adultery"!
Why does a single exception to a rule become an allowance by God to obliterate the rule? Obviously the rule still stands, because God states that for all women who have not committed adultery, their husbands do not have the right to regain anything they had previously given them.
The first part of the verse, which constitutes the general case has not been abrogated. The second part of the verse which constitutes the exception also stands.
2- In 2:159 we read:
"Those who conceal Our revelations and guidance, after proclaiming them in the Scripture, are condemned by God; they are condemned by all the condemners"
They claim that this verse (159) has been abrogated by the verse that immediately followed it (160) which reads:
"Except those who repent, reform and proclaim, I redeem them. I am the Redeemer, the Most Merciful"
Again we see that verse 160 says that those who had concealed the revelation but then repented and reformed are redeemed by God. Verse 159 has not been abrogated. It still stands, since all those who concealed the revelations and have not repented and reformed are not redeemed.
3- In 3:86-88 we read:
"Why should God guide those who disbelieved after believing…the retribution is never commuted for them, nor will they be reprieved"
The claim here is that these verses have been abrogated by verse 89:
"Exempted are those who repent thereafter and reform, God is Forgiver, Most Merciful."
Once again the claimed abrogation is non existent. Both verses stand true.
Verses 86-88 are speaking about those who disbelieve after believing and maintain their disbelieving until death. They are never reprieved in the hereafter. Verse 89 speaks about those who repent and reform during their life. Because God is Forgiver and Most Merciful they are reprieved.
The Quran confirms that only those who die as disbelievers are not pardoned:
"Those who disbelieve and die as disbelievers, an earthful of gold will not be accepted from any of them, even if such a ransom were possible. They have incurred painful retribution; they will have no helpers." 3:91
Once again the claim of abrogation is false and is based on poor understanding of the Quran.
4- Another case of poor understanding is found in the following verses:
"Also you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time"4:23
they claim that this has been abrogated by the words that immediately followed :
"except that which has taken place in the past"
and they interpret the last sentence, which in Arabic is (Ila ma salaf) to have the meaning of (I have forgiven you).
Obviously this is all incorrect. What this last verse means is ‘do not break up existing marriages’. It has nothing to do with forgiveness.
In other words God is saying that this law is to be enforced from that time onwards, but not to previous marriages so as not to break existing families.
Again the abrogation is non existent.
The same is applies to :
"Do not marry the women who were previously married to your fathers, except that which has taken place in the past…"4:22
Case four:
Here they claim the underlined words in the following verse:
"To God belongs the east and the west, so wherever you go you will always be facing God. God is Omnipresent, Omniscient" 2:115
have been abrogated by the underlined words in the following verse:
"We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may, all of you shall turn your faces towards it."2:144
The claim is that in the beginning God made it lawful for the believers to face anywhere in Salat (Contact Prayers) (as in 2:115) then later God cancelled that by appointing a set Qibla (2:144) for the believers. Therefore, the claim is that 2:144 invalidates 2:115
First of all, it was never made lawful for believers to face anywhere in their Salat. This claim has no Quranic evidence whatsoever. We are told in the Quran that the Qibla was changed, but nowhere are we told that there was no Qibla.
We are told in the Quran that there was a Qibla that did not appeal to the prophet, and that God changed it to one that is more appealing to the prophet (see 2:144)
The obvious misunderstanding here is that while verse 144 is speaking about Qiblah for the Salat (Prayer), verse 115 is not speaking about Salat at all. Verse 115 is speaking about the fact that God is present everywhere, and thus wherever we may look or wherever we may go, we will always be facing God. The presence of the word "Omnipresent" at the end of the verse confirms that the subject of the verse is God’s Presence and not the Salat.
Verse 144 does not abrogate verse 115. They are talking about two completely different subjects.
Case Five:
ABROGATED
"Had they, when they wronged their souls, come to you and prayed to GOD
for forgiveness, and the messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they
would have found GOD Redeemer, Most Merciful." 4:64
ABROGATOR
"Whether you ask forgiveness for them, or do not ask forgiveness for
them - even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times - GOD will
not forgive them. This is because they disbelieve in GOD and His
messenger. GOD does not guide the wicked people." 9:80
The claim is that the underlined words in 9:80 "even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times - GOD will not forgive them" invalidate the underlined words in 4:64 "the messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they would have found GOD Redeemer, Most Merciful.".
Once again, a case of poor understanding of the Quran.
Here we immediately note that these two verses speak about two different groups of people. In 4:64 God is speaking about those who have wronged their souls but have turned back to God and asked for His forgiveness. The fact that they asked forgiveness from God denotes that they believe in God, and for that we are told that "they would have found GOD Redeemer, Most Merciful.".
On the other hand, those spoken of in 9:80 are described by the words: "they disbelieve in GOD and His messenger"…and because they are disbelievers, we are told that "GOD will not forgive them".
From these two verses we learn that forgiveness can be asked for any believer who repents and reforms, but may never be asked for disbelievers.
No contradiction or invalidation exists between the two verses.
Case six:
ABROGATED
"O you who believe, witnessing a will when one of you is dying shall be
done by two equitable people among you (relatives or close friends). If
you are travelling, then two others may do the witnessing. After
observing the Contact Prayer (Salat), let the witnesses swear by GOD,
to alleviate your doubts: "We will not use this to attain personal
gains, even if the testator is related to us. Nor will we conceal GOD's
testimony. Otherwise, we would be sinners." 5:106
ABROGATOR
"Once the interim is fulfilled, you may reconcile with them equitably,
or go through with the separation equitably. You shall have two
equitable witnesses from among you (relatives or close friends) witness
the divorce before GOD."65:2
The claim is that in 5:106 any two witnesses, who are not necessarily relatives or close friends, can act as witnesses while in travel if relatives are not available, but this was invalidated by 65:2 which stated that the witnesses must be from among the relatives or close friends.
Once again, the claim is false for the following reasons:
1- The subject of 5:106 is witnessing the will of someone who is dying, or near death. The subject of 65:2 is witnessing a divorce.
2- In the situation of travel, a dying person may not have much time left, and since equitable relatives may not be available in time, thus God wavered the condition of the witnesses being from among the relatives, so that the will is witnessed in time before the death of the person.
3- The case of divorce does not present such immediate urgency, and thus the condition of equitable witnesses from among the relatives stands.
4- Thus it is obvious that 65:2 does not abrogate 5:106 in any way.
Case seven:
ABROGATED
"Say, ‘I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day." 6:15
ABROGATOR
"We have bestowed upon you (O Messenger) a great victory, whereby GOD forgives your past sins, as well as future sins…….." 48:2
Here the claim is that the underlined words in 6:15 were abrogated later by the underlined words in 48:2
The indirect outcome of this outrageous abrogation is one of total idol worship.
If the scholars state that the words "I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day" are invalidated, are they saying that the prophet no longer has to fear God?
To demonstrate the truth of these verses and their implications it is necessary first to examine in the light of the Quran what is forgiven by God, and which can be implied under 48:2, and what is never forgiven by God and thus must be feared according to 6:15.
We are told in the Quran that God forgives all sins except idol worship (setting partners to God):
"God does not forgive idolatry, but He forgives lesser offences for whomever He wills." 4:48 and 4:116
We are also told that this warning applies to all people, including God’s messengers. To affirm that even Muhammad was not excluded from this warning, we see God specifically warning Muhammad against idolatry:
"It has been revealed to you (O Muhammad), and to those before you that if you ever commit idolatry, all your works will be nullified, and you will be with the losers." 39:65
Now when we come to the claimed abrogation of 6:15, we read the following words:
"Say, ‘I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day."
However, when we read the words that immediately precede this verse, we read:
"Say, "I am commanded to be the most devoted submitter, and, `Do not be an idol worshiper." 6:14
If we put the two verses next to one another (verses 14 and 15 of Surah 6), it becomes obvious that the messenger is to say (If I should ever disobey God and commit idol worship, then I would fear the retribution of an awesome day).
It follows from that to conclude that verse 48:2 which promises the messenger’s sins will be forgiven (past and future sins) is obviously connected to all sins, except if he was ever to commit idol worship.
There is no contradiction or abrogation between the two verses.
Case eight:
ABROGATED
"GOD has pardoned you: why did you give them permission (to stay
behind), before you could distinguish those who are truthful from the
liars?" 9:43
ABROGATOR
"The true believers are those who believe in GOD and His messenger, and
when they are with him in a community meeting, they do not leave him
without permission. Those who ask permission are the ones who do
believe in GOD and His messenger. If they ask your permission, in order
to tend to some of their affairs, you may grant permission to whomever
you wish, and ask GOD to forgive them. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful."
24:62
The claim here is that in 9:43 the prophet was not allowed to give permission to the ones wanting to stay behind, before he could distinguish those who are truthful from the liars, while in 24:62 he was not given the permission to do so.
Once again, the error is quite obvious. Verse 9:43 is specifically speaking of the urgent case of going out for battle, whileas 24:62 speaks of the more relaxed situation of someone leaving a community meeting to attend to some personal matters!
We read in the two verses preceding 9:43, namely 9:41 and 42:
"You shall readily mobilize, light or heavy, and strive with your money and your lives in the cause of GOD. This is better for you, if you only knew.
If there were a quick material gain, and a short journey, they would have followed you. But the striving is just too much for them. They will swear by GOD: "If we could, we would have mobilized with you." They thus hurt themselves, and GOD knows that they are liars."
The underlined words "mobilize" and if it were a "short journey" indicate that the subject is mobilizing to go out for the purpose of battle.
However, the words "community meeting" in 24:62, denotes that the situation there is not one of battle but a normal community meeting where a request for permission to be excused for some personal matters would not exactly be classified as an unforgivable sin!
Once again 24:62 does not contradict or abrogate 9:43, the subject of the two verse is different.
http://freequranonline.org/quranic-abrogation-2