Importance of "Youm-el-Qiya'ma, the Day of Resurrection

[ahmedakber]

Mowla'na Ima'm Hasan Ala'Zikrihis Salaam declared the Youm-el-Qiya'ma, the Day of Resurrection, which was held on the nineteenth of Ramaza'n, 559 A.H. (10th of August, 1164).

He explained in details the principles of Isla'm and the Day of Judgement and announced.

"Today I have explained to you the Law (shari'at) and its meaning. I make you free from the rigidity of the Law and resurrect you from the bondage of the letter to the freedom of the spirit of the Law. Obey me and follow my farma'n. Give up all your misunderstanding and be united. Lead a virtuous life to be free from the fear of the Day of Judgement. Union with God, in reality, is the resurrection. Break your fast and rejoice. This is the day of utmost happiness and gratitude."


I just required your comments on this Important day in our History. (Are we free from the rigidity of the shariat from this Important day?).

[nagib]

We are free of the Shariah of the past. We live with our times and we follow the teaching of our Holy Prophet [PBUH] which ordered the Muslims to be the children of their Time - Ibn ul-Waqht.

Mowlana Sultan Muhamad Shah once said that Shariat and Haqiquat are two different ways and will never meet.

[kmaherali]

Shariah is derived from the root sh-r-a' which gives a sense of to enter, start or begin. Hence it has a broad meaning. It has commonly been interpreted as the canonical law of the Muslims, but it can also mean principles of a system. In this respect we also have Sharia which is different from the that of the rest of the Muslims.

Our Sharia would be Dasond, Dua, service and obedience to the Imam. In the following verse of the Ginan "Tum chet man mera" Sayyeda Imam Begum tells us:

ejee gat maa(n)he meelo neeto neet, paheleeye maano shareeyat
tareekat or hakeekat, maarfat me(n) manku(n) maar
tum chet man meraa...........................................7

Meet in the congregation(of Jamaatkhaanaa) everyday. As a first principle believe in the 'Sharia'(aim, principles and doctrines of faith). Then follow the way or the method(Tariqah) and then internalise the inner mysteries(truths)(Haqiqah) as attained on the Path. Attaining the gnosis(Maarifah, ultimate knowledge and certainty) hence, kill or destroy your (lower)mind including it's desires.

Obviously she did not mean the Sharia of the mainstream Muslims.

[sati55]

Many historians and scholars including DR. Ivanow and Dr. Daftary mentioned that Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam was son of Dai Muhammad bin Kiya Buzurg.

Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam announced the Qiyama policy and for that reason he was killed by his brother-in-law, Husayni Namawar.

Imam Ala Muhammad, vigorously propagated the theory of Qiyama.

Imam Jalalud-Din Hasan, restored the Sharia policy (Qiyama was practiced for about 48 years).

The questions one should ask here:

1- Was Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam a decendant of Imam Nizar. (any historical resources)

2- Why the changes from Sharia to Qiyama and then back to Sharia happened very quickly and not gradually.

3- Is "Youm-el-Qiyama" just an announcement made by the Imam.

[ShamsB]

Many historians and scholars including DR. Ivanow and Dr. Daftary mentioned that Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam was son of Dai Muhammad bin Kiya Buzurg.

Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam announced the Qiyama policy and for that reason he was killed by his brother-in-law, Husayni Namawar.

Imam Ala Muhammad, vigorously propagated the theory of Qiyama.

Imam Jalalud-Din Hasan, restored the Sharia policy (Qiyama was practiced for about 48 years).

The questions one should ask here:

1- Was Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam a decendant of Imam Nizar. (any historical resources)

2- Why the changes from Sharia to Qiyama and then back to Sharia happened very quickly and not gradually.

3- Is "Youm-el-Qiyama" just an announcement made by the Imam.

Look at the questions you ask...
1. if he isn't the descendant of the Imam..well.we're not following ahl el bayat any more are we?

The historical reference for all this is in the Dua's that we recite..not only the current Dua..but the previous Dua and the the word of Mowlana Hazar Imam that he is the DIRECT Descendant of the prophet through his daughter Fatima and his son in law Hazrat Ali.

That directive to go back to Sharia may have only applied to the Ismailies of the time to prepare them to go back into Taqiya and make it easier for them to integrate with the sunnis of the surrounding areas.

Nothing is JUST an announcement made by the imam..everything is Farman.

Shams

[kmaherali]

The questions one should ask here:

1- Was Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam a decendant of Imam Nizar. (any historical resources)

A historical study is never objective. It invariably involves the faith and the perspective of the historian. The Daftaris and the Ivanovs are not Ismailis and they cannot know what real Ismailism is about. A historian will always base his studies on what he believes to be true. If the historian does not accept the premise of eternity of the institution of Imamat, he will not find facts to back up this belief. We must also understand that history of the Ismailis was written by historians who were hostile to Ismailism and therefore what historical data that the historians worked upon was hostile.

We must also realize that the period under consideration was not conducive for Ismaili Imams to reveal their true identity and hence the information regarding their whereabouts could not be readily divulged. Only a few prominent Dais would have known about them.

However some 30 generations have passed since then. Are you implying that a lie could have sustained for 30 generations? We all know about false Imams and how far they managed to survive (at most 6 generations of Ithna asheris).

And what about the Farmans that allude to the ever presence of Imams on this earth. Are they lies? What about the activities of the 48th and 49th Imams. Don’t they reveal anything about the nature of Imamat? What about hundreds of volunteers who dedicate their lives for the Imams?

I think when we study history we should take all the above facts into consideration and just not accept historical information derived from non Ismaili sources at face value. We would need to question the facts based on our understanding and insights about Imamat.

[sati55]

Look at the questions you ask...
1. if he isn't the descendant of the Imam..well.we're not following ahl el bayat any more are we?

The historical reference for all this is in the Dua's that we recite..not only the current Dua..but the previous Dua and the the word of Mowlana Hazar Imam that he is the DIRECT Descendant of the prophet through his daughter Fatima and his son in law Hazrat Ali

I am asking if we ismailis have any historical reference or any thing to prove our view. It is not me who ask the questions. They have been asked many times before.

The Dua's that we recite and the word of MHI cannot be presented as a historical reference especially for non-ismailis.

A historical study is never objective. It invariably involves the faith and the perspective of the historian. The Daftaris and the Ivanovs are not Ismailis and they cannot know what real Ismailism is about. A historian will always base his studies on what he believes to be true. If the historian does not accept the premise of eternity of the institution of Imamat, he will not find facts to back up this belief. We must also understand that history of the Ismailis was written by historians who were hostile to Ismailism and therefore what historical data that the historians worked upon was hostile.

This is good answer but how can people know the truth in that case?

We must also realize that the period under consideration was not conducive for Ismaili Imams to reveal their true identity and hence the information regarding their whereabouts could not be readily divulged. Only a few prominent Dais would have known about them.

There is hadeeth says: "Anyone who dies without knowing his Imam has died similar to the death of pre-Islamic Jahili period"

If the Imam is hidden/not known to the public how can people in all over the world know the imam? (the imam is imam for all people not only for ismailis). This contradicts the hadeeth?

However some 30 generations have passed since then. Are you implying that a lie could have sustained for 30 generations? We all know about false Imams and how far they managed to survive (at most 6 generations of Ithna asheris).

In many times there was more than one Imam at the same time (after Imam Ja'far-al-Sadeq, after Imam Al-mustansir, and after Imam Shamsudin Muhammad).

At those times how do people know the right Imam. Should they wait many generations to know the truth (or most likely die before know it) especially when we know that the right imams were hidden for some generations.

[kmaherali]

This is good answer but how can people know the truth in that case?

In this particular situation we know that Imamat survived 30 generations and we also know more about Imamat based on the lives of our 48th and 49th Imams. Just based upon these facts we can at least doubt the information provided by non Ismaili historians. With more resouces available now, I am sure that information will be uncovered to prove our view of history. MHI in his Farman made to the Dubai Jamat made reference to this.

There is hadeeth says: "Anyone who dies without knowing his Imam has died similar to the death of pre-Islamic Jahili period"

If the Imam is hidden/not known to the public how can people in all over the world know the imam? (the imam is imam for all people not only for ismailis). This contradicts the hadeeth?

When I say that the Imam was generally hidden from the public, he was not hidden from his Jamat. The people who recognized him had access to him through the Dais and other Fidais. As far as the Jamat was concerned he was accessible and off course the essential relation is of a Batini nature, i.e., the bond is spiritual and not physical. We have Jamats from Central Asia who did not have contact with the Imam for centuries!

In many times there was more than one Imam at the same time (after Imam Ja'far-al-Sadeq, after Imam Al-mustansir, and after Imam Shamsudin Muhammad).

At those times how do people know the right Imam. Should they wait many generations to know the truth (or most likely die before know it) especially when we know that the right imams were hidden for some generations.

I think again those who were truly devoted would have known the correct Imam. The Imams would have guided them to that effect. During those times, people had different motivations for attaching themselves to Imamat. Some had political and economic expectations and others had religious intentions. The latter would have recognised the rightful Imams through inner means.

[star_munir]

Are you really Ismaili when you are writting :Many historians and scholars including DR. Ivanow and Dr. Daftary mentioned that Imam Ala Zikrihis Salam was son of Dai Muhammad bin Kiya Buzurg.

There are Farmans that Imam is always present on Earth. There are history books that are proof of it. Many Non Ismailis of today believe Him to be direct discendant of Prophet Muhammad {PBUH}.

There are many Ismaili books of history and you can get references from there about this and the cause of this confusion for instance you may refer to Noorum Mubin or Brief history of Ismailism.