Is wahabism doctrine similar to Koresh's pre Hazrat Mohammat
Is wahabism doctrine similar to Koresh's pre Hazrat Mohammat
While watching the documentary on Hazrat Mohammad (S.A.S), i noticed that Koresh's activity were very similar to present day Saudi Arabian government.
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the wahabi movement is called wahabi after its founder mohammad ibn abdul wahaab. although early they called themselves wahabis, but later on only theyr opponent calls them that. just as people calling each other nasibis and rafidis...
although this movements aims were good according to main islamic thought. the aim was to clean islam from innovation such as idolarity which had grown too much into the population of muslim nations since the crusaders, mongol invation and later european colonialism...
but sadly the allianse with the saudi dynasty abdul wahaab himself grew on power. and they used radical methods the same methods used by the khwarijites (ibadhites of todays oman) and the zaydi shias. the main points which identify them is as following
-a caliph can be removed by power on the will of people
-weapon can be used on muslims in the way of jihad
-the murder on muslims will not be a harm in the condition of jihad
-anyone not supporting the jihad will be considered enemy
-all others are kaafirs and munafiqs, and theyr blood is worth nothing
although they were called al-muwahedeen (the purifiers of the deen) they developed this militant tactic inherited from khwarijites and zaydis while they took up the strickt theological intepration from ibn taymiyya who again developed it from the strickest of the sunni madhabb founders imam hanbal (ra)
theyr use of violence went so far and they considered to visit graves so much sin that they removed the whole grave, shrine and the tomb so it wont be available to be worshipped as muslims at those days actually begged the dead mean in the graves for help. trees and stones were also in the same conditions, the islamic population which were rural had gone too much astray although the methods used on them provoked fear and they accepted the new ideology (as it is only a new ideology politically and not theologically) in fear.
this movement have had since its foundation several divitions. some more extreme and some more liberal. some more closer to sinni usool and madhabbs while other more isolated.
the jamaah islami in pakistan and in the world is a movement from the deobandi madrassah in where the teachings of abdul wahaab is toughs. although they believe in following the four imams hanifa (ra), malik (ra), shafei (ra) and hanbal (ra) individually as four seperate schools. while the wahabis of saudia who are mostly hanbalis rejects this and follow the best intepretion from all the schools. the new movement is the salafis, who reject these schools and the wahabis would prefere to be called salafis. as they believe in the teachings of the salaaf al-saliheen (sahabas, tabiyeen and talba tabiyeen) and no one later.
the further branch from the salafis are the orginal salafis (wahabis) and the qutbi salafis. a movement which were founded in egypt by a school teacher who were opposed to both the saudi and the egyptian goverment. his movement was called ilkwaan al-muslimeen (muslim brotherhood) but theologically they are called qutbi salafis as they distinguish themselves from the wahabi salafis who have a semi thought within the fiqh and madhabb interpretion and becouse they support monarchy
here is the mab of sunni and sub sunni movements
Ahle sunnah wal jamaah
-hanafi
--deobandi
---jamaah islami
---tablighi jamaah
--barelvi
-maliki
-shafei
-hanbali
--wahabi salafi
---qutbi salafi (ilkwan al muslimeen)
-sufi orders... qadiri,naqshbandi...
note the ilkwan al muslimeen is the mother organisation of sheikh ahmad yaseen, who founded the hamas. the palestinian fraction of the brotherhood
although this movements aims were good according to main islamic thought. the aim was to clean islam from innovation such as idolarity which had grown too much into the population of muslim nations since the crusaders, mongol invation and later european colonialism...
but sadly the allianse with the saudi dynasty abdul wahaab himself grew on power. and they used radical methods the same methods used by the khwarijites (ibadhites of todays oman) and the zaydi shias. the main points which identify them is as following
-a caliph can be removed by power on the will of people
-weapon can be used on muslims in the way of jihad
-the murder on muslims will not be a harm in the condition of jihad
-anyone not supporting the jihad will be considered enemy
-all others are kaafirs and munafiqs, and theyr blood is worth nothing
although they were called al-muwahedeen (the purifiers of the deen) they developed this militant tactic inherited from khwarijites and zaydis while they took up the strickt theological intepration from ibn taymiyya who again developed it from the strickest of the sunni madhabb founders imam hanbal (ra)
theyr use of violence went so far and they considered to visit graves so much sin that they removed the whole grave, shrine and the tomb so it wont be available to be worshipped as muslims at those days actually begged the dead mean in the graves for help. trees and stones were also in the same conditions, the islamic population which were rural had gone too much astray although the methods used on them provoked fear and they accepted the new ideology (as it is only a new ideology politically and not theologically) in fear.
this movement have had since its foundation several divitions. some more extreme and some more liberal. some more closer to sinni usool and madhabbs while other more isolated.
the jamaah islami in pakistan and in the world is a movement from the deobandi madrassah in where the teachings of abdul wahaab is toughs. although they believe in following the four imams hanifa (ra), malik (ra), shafei (ra) and hanbal (ra) individually as four seperate schools. while the wahabis of saudia who are mostly hanbalis rejects this and follow the best intepretion from all the schools. the new movement is the salafis, who reject these schools and the wahabis would prefere to be called salafis. as they believe in the teachings of the salaaf al-saliheen (sahabas, tabiyeen and talba tabiyeen) and no one later.
the further branch from the salafis are the orginal salafis (wahabis) and the qutbi salafis. a movement which were founded in egypt by a school teacher who were opposed to both the saudi and the egyptian goverment. his movement was called ilkwaan al-muslimeen (muslim brotherhood) but theologically they are called qutbi salafis as they distinguish themselves from the wahabi salafis who have a semi thought within the fiqh and madhabb interpretion and becouse they support monarchy
here is the mab of sunni and sub sunni movements
Ahle sunnah wal jamaah
-hanafi
--deobandi
---jamaah islami
---tablighi jamaah
--barelvi
-maliki
-shafei
-hanbali
--wahabi salafi
---qutbi salafi (ilkwan al muslimeen)
-sufi orders... qadiri,naqshbandi...
note the ilkwan al muslimeen is the mother organisation of sheikh ahmad yaseen, who founded the hamas. the palestinian fraction of the brotherhood
Only an ignorant will equate Deobandi as Wahabis or following the teachings of Abdul wahab -founder of the Wahabi Sect aka salafi & ahle-hadeeth .Morg wrote:the wahabi movement is called wahabi after its founder mohammad ibn abdul wahaab. although early they called themselves wahabis, but later on only theyr opponent calls them that. just as people calling each other nasibis and rafidis...
although this movements aims were good according to main islamic thought. the aim was to clean islam from innovation such as idolarity which had grown too much into the population of muslim nations since the crusaders, mongol invation and later european colonialism...
but sadly the allianse with the saudi dynasty abdul wahaab himself grew on power. and they used radical methods the same methods used by the khwarijites (ibadhites of todays oman) and the zaydi shias. the main points which identify them is as following
-a caliph can be removed by power on the will of people
-weapon can be used on muslims in the way of jihad
-the murder on muslims will not be a harm in the condition of jihad
-anyone not supporting the jihad will be considered enemy
-all others are kaafirs and munafiqs, and theyr blood is worth nothing
although they were called al-muwahedeen (the purifiers of the deen) they developed this militant tactic inherited from khwarijites and zaydis while they took up the strickt theological intepration from ibn taymiyya who again developed it from the strickest of the sunni madhabb founders imam hanbal (ra)
theyr use of violence went so far and they considered to visit graves so much sin that they removed the whole grave, shrine and the tomb so it wont be available to be worshipped as muslims at those days actually begged the dead mean in the graves for help. trees and stones were also in the same conditions, the islamic population which were rural had gone too much astray although the methods used on them provoked fear and they accepted the new ideology (as it is only a new ideology politically and not theologically) in fear.
this movement have had since its foundation several divitions. some more extreme and some more liberal. some more closer to sinni usool and madhabbs while other more isolated.
[the jamaah islami in pakistan and in the world is a movement from the deobandi madrassah in where the teachings of abdul wahaab is toughs. although they believe in following the four imams hanifa (ra), malik (ra), shafei (ra) and hanbal (ra) individually as four seperate schools. while the wahabis of saudia who are mostly hanbalis rejects this and follow the best intepretion from all the schools. the new movement is the salafis, who reject these schools and the wahabis would prefere to be called salafis. as they believe in the teachings of the salaaf al-saliheen (sahabas, tabiyeen and talba tabiyeen) and no one later.
the further branch from the salafis are the orginal salafis (wahabis) and the qutbi salafis. a movement which were founded in egypt by a school teacher who were opposed to both the saudi and the egyptian goverment. his movement was called ilkwaan al-muslimeen (muslim brotherhood) but theologically they are called qutbi salafis as they distinguish themselves from the wahabi salafis who have a semi thought within the fiqh and madhabb interpretion and becouse they support monarchy
here is the mab of sunni and sub sunni movements
Ahle sunnah wal jamaah
-hanafi
--deobandi
---jamaah islami
---tablighi jamaah
--barelvi
-maliki
-shafei
-hanbali
--wahabi salafi
---qutbi salafi (ilkwan al muslimeen)
-sufi orders... qadiri,naqshbandi...
note the ilkwan al muslimeen is the mother organisation of sheikh ahmad yaseen, who founded the hamas. the palestinian fraction of the brotherhood
Wahabi-ism came about a few hundred years ago about the same time the Deobandi & Baralvis established themselves as sects in N. India.
The deobandis are a sub-sect of Hanafi madzhab whereas the wahabis have usurped the Hanbali madzhab.
All the sects that you have identified in the chart -with the exception of barelvi, are extremists.
Question:
Where do you place yourself on the chart?
Let me guess:
You do not believe in sect .
Sorry Mr Vasanji,
No offence. I am citing my opinions only.
Logical...
please read it all before you correct me, what i am saying is that the deobandi movement was in fact influented by the wahabi movement of saudia. the first wahabi inspired indian were a bengali who came back and later on some other people went and they established the madrassah of deoband.
the difference i told you, that deobandis follow usool and fiqh i mean the madhabbs, while wahabis or salafis reject it.
where i can place myself? i am a sunni hanafi. end of case
here i want to help members with some facts, and then you come again and try to mock me. how do you know i dont believe in sects or not. i dont think i have mocked you or made fun of you. is the reason for this becouse i am talking about wahabis? talking about a issue doesnt make me one, and for the sake of god, knowledge is better anyway therefore as a sunni i seek to know more about shia and ismailia so i dont hang up in lies about these sects.
please read it all before you correct me, what i am saying is that the deobandi movement was in fact influented by the wahabi movement of saudia. the first wahabi inspired indian were a bengali who came back and later on some other people went and they established the madrassah of deoband.
the difference i told you, that deobandis follow usool and fiqh i mean the madhabbs, while wahabis or salafis reject it.
where i can place myself? i am a sunni hanafi. end of case
here i want to help members with some facts, and then you come again and try to mock me. how do you know i dont believe in sects or not. i dont think i have mocked you or made fun of you. is the reason for this becouse i am talking about wahabis? talking about a issue doesnt make me one, and for the sake of god, knowledge is better anyway therefore as a sunni i seek to know more about shia and ismailia so i dont hang up in lies about these sects.