Hindu Mythology and Indian Terminology / Civilisations

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shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Tue May 24, 2016 12:42 pm

I read GHUGRY ginans of Syed Imam Shah. What is the meaning of Ghugri?
According to ginan Ghugry is tied out side AMRAPURI ie Spiritaul world.
Was Ghugry dream, imagination or personal Ma'iraj of Syed Imam Shah?

agakhani_1 · Post by **agakhani_1** » Tue May 24, 2016 1:34 pm

Abhai,
E-mail me I will give you source of Old Gatpat Dua, where you can read it.
In return I love to have ghughari ginan!

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Tue May 24, 2016 2:37 pm

agakhani wrote:Abhai,
E-mail me I will give you source of Old Gatpat Dua, where you can read it.
In return I love to have ghughari ginan!

There are ten GHUGRI ginans said by Syed Imam shah. (this is first)

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AAGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI PAASEY EEK MALAIK BHETHA
TEY JUEY SACHA MOMIN NI WATT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI RAAT DIVAS MALAIK SEVA MAHE(N) UBHA
KE SACHA MOMIN KIYAREY AAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MAHE(N) JE KOI SACHA PIREETY JAAGEY
TE GHUGRI NE NICHEY AAVEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI SACHI PIREETEY JE KOI GUR NAR NE AARADHEY
TOU TEY GHUGRI NE TALLEY BHEESEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI GHUGRI TALLEY GUR NAR AAPAJ BHEETHA
TE SACH MOMIN TIA(N)J AAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY GHUGRI JO DHITHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:54 am

agakhani wrote:Abhai,
E-mail me I will give you source of Old Gatpat Dua, where you can read it.
In return I love to have ghughari ginan!

The 10 Gugri Ginans are published in Gujerati in the book: Sayed Imam Shah na Grantho 3. There are 4 Granths in it; Bai budhai No Savad, Vis Tol, Si Harfi and Gugri na Ginan.

These 10 Ginans have been transliterated and translated into English in Alwaez Kamaluddin/Alwaeza Zarina's Ginan book series and they are in Vol 8. Visit www.kamalzar.com for more information.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:19 am

shivaathervedi wrote:I read GHUGRY ginans of Syed Imam Shah. What is the meaning of Ghugri?
According to ginan Ghugry is tied out side AMRAPURI ie Spiritaul world.
Was Ghugry dream, imagination or personal Ma'iraj of Syed Imam Shah?

Gugri has been translated as a little bell, jingling bell, a rattle; boiled grain; a type of umbrella. According to the 10 Ginans, it is a mystical object with intense luminosity and a cover and comfortable objects such as a bed and a chair under it surrounded by angels, a fairy, a pious lady and elevated/enlightened soul to welcome and comfort the practising murids. There is also a luminous horse, chariot and rider to take the souls to heavens.

In my opinion, it is not a dream or an imagination but the real mystical object/station attained through spiritual elevation or Meraj and which is attainable. Sayyed Imam Shah testifies in each Ginan that he has seen the object.

When Sayyed Imam Shah had the physical Deedar of the Imam after the death of his father Pir Hasan Kabirdeen, he was granted the title of Mystic Great Name, which means he was a highly elevated soul.

The account is given at: http://www.ismaili.net/hero/hero25.html

Post by **Admin** » Wed May 25, 2016 9:51 am

Gugri may be the Ismaili equivalent of the concept of the Holy Grail.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Wed May 25, 2016 10:32 am

Ya Ali Madad.
This new member seems to be a Hindu,

End of message removed and EDITED BY ADMIN

Post by **Admin** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:07 pm

No need to be judgemental and offensive.

People do not question who you are and you should not question who they are. Your beliefs maybe as controversial as those of others who post here.

Please refrain from giving ultimatum to others. As you see, I deleted your ultimatum and it just increased my work.

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:12 pm

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote: 1. EJI KAYA NAGARI MA(N)HE EK CHOR............
I consider 'EK CHOR' as nafs amarah and not as angel of death.
I wonder how Nafs amarah seizes the body and steals or takes away the soul. It rather corrupts the body
shivaathervedi wrote: 2. EJI PAHLA LEEDHA KOTT VERA NAW DARWAJA
There is no direct mention of Yamadot or jamaddo, only description of how he seizes the soul. He start pulling the soul from feet and move upwards making 9 openings inactive and taking complete soul out of body through left ear of forehead.
Nafs amara does not do that, it is only the angel of death which can do that.
shivaathervedi wrote: 3. JUTHA MARNA TOU SAB JUG MAREY....
There is a comparison of material world and spiritual world. A FALSE OR ARTIFICIAL DEATH AND A REAL DEATH.
There is a good comparison in this part;

MARU(N) MARU(N) KARANTA JANAM GAMAVIO
HERLA SARIKHO AAVIYO MONKHO DHUBAVIO
Reasonable..

EJI KAYA NAGRI MAHE(N) EK CHOR....

I don't think in ginans Hazrat Izrael is equated with chor (theif).

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:21 pm

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:KANSA (KANS)

Lord Krishna was the eighth Avatar of Vishnu . Lord Vishnu came in Krishna Avatar to protect Dharma and to spread peace and love on earth. The name Krishna was given to him because of his color (in sanskrit krsna means the color of night i.e is Dark). Krishna is portrayed as an attractive young boy with bright eyes and divine glow on his ‘dark or blue’ skin playing a flute.

Ismaili version of Lord Krishna's biography is given by late Alwaez Shamshu Bandali in his book: The Noor En Allah Noor which can be accessed at: http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/15495.

The account is from page 51 onwards in the file:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/files/NoorE ... 0-80_0.pdf

On Page 58 there is mention of MSMS's recollection of his manifestation in the Krishna Avtaar:

“MISSIONARY! YE KONSA STATION HAY?” Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah while recollecting His Divine “Noorani” aspect and “Noorani” incarnation of five thousand years ago, asked one of the missionaries on His Huzur staff while travelling in the interior of India.

“KHUDAWIND! YE MATHURA KA STATION HE! ,” the missionary replied.

“MISSIONARY, KRISHNA AVTAR ME MAYNE IDHAR BAHOT KHEL KIYA, AUR MOMINOKO BAHOT LADD LADAYA,” Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah uttered these unique and most wonderful recollections of His Divine Avtar.

But you did not gave comments on Kansa (Kans).
Kansa was maternal uncle (brother of mother) of Lord Krishna. He wanted to kill baby Krishna and finally was killed by Krishna himself. I tried to locate name of kANS in ginans but failed. Is there any mention of Raja Kans in ginans?

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:39 pm

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:I read GHUGRY ginans of Syed Imam Shah. What is the meaning of Ghugri?
According to ginan Ghugry is tied out side AMRAPURI ie Spiritaul world.
Was Ghugry dream, imagination or personal Ma'iraj of Syed Imam Shah?
Gugri has been translated as a little bell, jingling bell, a rattle; boiled grain; a type of umbrella. According to the 10 Ginans, it is a mystical object with intense luminosity and a cover and comfortable objects such as a bed and a chair under it surrounded by angels, a fairy, a pious lady and elevated/enlightened soul to welcome and comfort the practising murids. There is also a luminous horse, chariot and rider to take the souls to heavens.

In my opinion, it is not a dream or an imagination but the real mystical object/station attained through spiritual elevation or Meraj and which is attainable. Sayyed Imam Shah testifies in each Ginan that he has seen the object.

When Sayyed Imam Shah had the physical Deedar of the Imam after the death of his father Pir Hasan Kabirdeen, he was granted the title of Mystic Great Name, which means he was a highly elevated soul.

The account is given at: http://www.ismaili.net/hero/hero25.html

I don't think Ghugri is a jingling bell or an object of rattling. If we consider Ghugri as a bell or (ghanti) then Ghunguru will come in mind. I can't find proper meaning in Gujrati or in Hindi dictionaries. Other notable thing is that Ghugri is out side at border of Amrapuri. If we consider it as Ma'iraj then it is not complete and final or it can be like;
JALTEY HAI(N) JIBRAEL KE PAR JIS MAQAM PAR
Can't went further!

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:19 pm

SECOND GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AAGAL EK GHUGRI JO BHANDI
TENU TEJ CHANDRAMA SARIKHO JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TENI NICHEY EK DHOLINI JO RAKHI
TE DHOLINI PAR HURU(N) APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE HURA(N) AAGAL EK PARI JO BHAITHI
TE PARI NA HAATH MAHE(N) NOOR NISHANI JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MAHE(N) JE KOI PRABHATEY JAAGEY
TE PARI TENI JUEIY CHHEY WAATT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY PARI JO DITHI
TE PARI JAANO NOORANI JOTT JIREY BHAI

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:06 am

shivaathervedi wrote:EJI KAYA NAGRI MAHE(N) EK CHOR....

I don't think in ginans Hazrat Izrael is equated with chor (theif).

I don't consider this kind of stealing in a negative way. It is just a poetic way of making a statement about taking away something dramatically.

Hari is a the Stealer of Hearts who takes away from us the attraction for the maya so that we can pay attention to what He is trying to give us!

Rumi also mentions stealing for a better purpose in the poem below.

Our Secret, Rumi

Shall I tell you our secret?
We are charming thieves who steal hearts
and never fail because we are
the friends of the One.
The time for old preaching is over
we aim straight at the heart.
If the mind tries to sneak in and take over
we will string it up without delay.
We turn poison into medicine
and our sorrows into blessings.
All that was familiar,
our loved ones and ourselves
we had to leave behind.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:20 am

shivaathervedi wrote:But you did not gave comments on Kansa (Kans).
Kansa was maternal uncle (brother of mother) of Lord Krishna. He wanted to kill baby Krishna and finally was killed by Krishna himself. I tried to locate name of kANS in ginans but failed. Is there any mention of Raja Kans in ginans?

I did not because late Alwaez has mentioned him in the reference that I gave you. Yes Raja and Mamo Kans has been mentioned in the Ginans. Infact whatever the late Alwaez has mentioned in his book is derived from the Ginans.

To find Ginans that contain a concept or term or name go to Search Ginan Texts at the new heritage site at: http://ismaili.net/heritage/ginan_view . Then type the required word - Kans in the Text box and hit the Search button and you will get a list of all the Ginans that mention Kans.

For example: Das Avtar - Nano http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/30588

Vege karine velaa thaao, ek ghaddi ni vaar ma laavo, ek taal maanhe velaa jaao, jaai lejo amaarun naam, Nand saathe chhe ek kaam, pujaa maanddi chhe Mathuraa gaam, te maanhe joie chhe Kamal naa kaam, teddi laavo te Nandji nu Kaan, nahi kaa chhaanddo gokal gaam, nahi kaa bijo dharaavo naam, taare Nand boliyaa dharine neh, Kans kopiyo suje nahi kaam, ame chhaandd sun gokal gaam, taare boliyaa Tribhovar Shaam, ame jaaesun Kamal ke kaaj, have potaa te Kansji naa raaj, utthi chaaliyaa Shaahaa Tribhovar Shaam, jaai naatheyo Kaarrio naag, aanni saareyaa Kamlaa naa kaaj, taare Kanse kahyo eto motto sal, mokaleo chaandro mal, tene Kans e kahi ek vaat, ene jaali ne karjo ek dhaat, taare male kahi ardaas, kaho to raaeji jaali laavun tamaare paas, taare Kans sunni ne thayo raliyaat, tame saambhalo maaraa mal, vege kari ne vehelaa thaao, ek ghaddi ni vaar ma laao ek taal maanhe vehelaa jaao, vachan sunni ne male kidhi ridd, Shaahe haathe marodeaa tenaa sharir, Shaahe maareyo chaandro mal, trann bhamann nu ttaleo sal, Shaahe maareyo Raajaa Kans, chhedviyaa tenaa vansh;

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:30 am

shivaathervedi wrote: I don't think Ghugri is a jingling bell or an object of rattling. If we consider Ghugri as a bell or (ghanti) then Ghunguru will come in mind. I can't find proper meaning in Gujrati or in Hindi dictionaries. Other notable thing is that Ghugri is out side at border of Amrapuri. If we consider it as Ma'iraj then it is not complete and final or it can be like;
JALTEY HAI(N) JIBRAEL KE PAR JIS MAQAM PAR
Can't went further!

Yes of course it is not to be considered as our final destination which is Niranjan - without form and attributes as per verse of Khat Niranjan:

Shah na darshan thi jaave paap,
Alakh Nirinjan aapo hi aap 260

By Imam's Deedar sins get washed away and he becomes clean and pure by himself like the Indescribable and the Unseen.

The Gugri Ginans state that this station or object is near the eternal abode - amrapuri and not the amrapuri itself. Just as the Prophet encountered several stations before his ultimate union with God.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:51 am

English translation of the first Gugri Ginan that was provided here.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AAGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode (Niranjan), there is tied a gugri ( a little bell in comparison to the amrapuri itself). This gugri is luminous with intensity beyond limits.

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI PAASEY EEK MALAIK BHETHA
TEY JUEY SACHA MOMIN NI WATT JIREY BHAI

O brother! An angel is seated at the vicinity of the gugri and is awaiting the arrival of a true momin.

JIREY BHAI RAAT DIVAS MALAIK SEVA MAHE(N) UBHA
KE SACHA MOMIN KIYAREY AAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! That angel is standing day and night in service in anticipation of the arrival of a true momin.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MAHE(N) JE KOI SACHA PIREETY JAAGEY
TE GHUGRI NE NICHEY AAVEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! In this mortal plane of existence, those who are awake in true devotion, will arrive under the gugri.

JIREY BHAI SACHI PIREETEY JE KOI GUR NAR NE AARADHEY
TOU TEY GHUGRI NE TALLEY BHEESEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Those who worship the GurNar (the Imam) with true love, they will seat beneath the gugri.

JIREY BHAI GHUGRI TALLEY GUR NAR AAPAJ BHEETHA
TE SACH MOMIN TIA(N)J AAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Beneath the gugri the Gurnar (Imam) himself is seated; the true momins will arrive there.

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY GHUGRI JO DHITHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah teaches that he has seen this gugri whose luminous intensity is limitless.

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English translation of the second Gugri Ginan provided here.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AAGAL EK GHUGRI JO BHANDI
TENU TEJ CHANDRAMA SARIKHO JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode, there is tied a gugri, whose luminous intensity is like that of the (full) moon.

JIREY BHAI TENI NICHEY EK DHOLINI JO RAKHI
TE DHOLINI PAR HURU(N) APAAR JIREY BHAI

O brother! Underneath there is kept a bed; there are countless houris (nymphs) on that bed.

JIREY BHAI TE HURA(N) AAGAL EK PARI JO BHAITHI
TE PARI NA HAATH MAHE(N) NOOR NISHANI JIREY BHAI

O brother! There is a fairy that is seated near those houris; that fairy has a sign of light in her hands.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MAHE(N) JE KOI PRABHATEY JAAGEY
TE PARI TENI JUEIY CHHEY WAATT JIREY BHAI

O brother! In this mortal plane of existence, whoever arises in the early mornings (for ibadat), that fairy awaits this person.

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY PARI JO DITHI
TE PARI JAANO NOORANI JOTT JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah teaches that he has seen that fairy and understand that fairy as being the luminous light.

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:10 pm

THIRD GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI HETHEY EK RANGAJ LAGO
DAS ASIMAAN THI MALAIK AAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE MALAIK DURUD NIMAAJ PARHEY
TE SACHA RIKHISAR NE KAJEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MAHE(N) JE KOI ARDHI RAATEY JAAGEY
TENEY KAJEY JIKAR KAREY CHHEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY GHUGRI JEY DITHI
TE DITHIYU(N) WAATU HUM KAHWEY JIREY BHAI

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FOURTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENU TEJ ANANT DEESEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NICHEY EK SATI BAITHI
TENU NAAM TOU MAHA SATI KAHEIYE JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE SATI NA HAATH MA(N)HE EKAJ MAARA
TE TOU PHERWAY NE JIKAR KAREY CHHEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA JE KOI SEEL SANTOSH RAKHEY
TE SATI TENI JUEIY CHHE WAATT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY SATIJ DITHI
TAMEY TE SAHI SACHU KARI JANU JIREY BHAI

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:17 pm

kmaherali wrote:
agakhani wrote:Abhai,
E-mail me I will give you source of Old Gatpat Dua, where you can read it.
In return I love to have ghughari ginan!
The 10 Gugri Ginans are published in Gujerati in the book: Sayed Imam Shah na Grantho 3. There are 4 Granths in it; Bai budhai No Savad, Vis Tol, Si Harfi and Gugri na Ginan.

These 10 Ginans have been transliterated and translated into English in Alwaez Kamaluddin/Alwaeza Zarina's Ginan book series and they are in Vol 8. Visit www.kamalzar.com for more information.

I would like that Alwaez Kamal and Alwaeza Zarina should participate in ginan
discussions as they have vast knowledge of ginans to improve understanding of ginanic literature among jamaits through Heritage site or through their own blog/site.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri May 27, 2016 3:20 am

shivaathervedi wrote: I would like that Alwaez Kamal and Alwaeza Zarina should participate in ginan
discussions as they have vast knowledge of ginans to improve understanding of ginanic literature among jamaits through Heritage site or through their own blog/site.

I don't think there are any restrictions for those who want to join this forum to share their knowledge. Anyone is welcome to join.

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Fri May 27, 2016 12:26 pm

FIFTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENU TEJ ZAREEZ DEESEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NICHEY EEK RATH JO KHARAA
TISS MEY ANEEK MALAIK BHETHA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE ANEEK MALAIK JIKARAJ KAREY
USS MEY JAP TAP KAREY SHAH KA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI DU POHOREY JAAGEY
TAKU WOH MALAIK MA(N)GEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY SACHUJ BOLIYA
TE DITHU(N) WATU(N) HUM KAHWEY JIREY BHAI

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SIXTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI KAY NICHEY EEK BURAQ JO KHARA
SO BURAQ NOOREY NIPAYA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TENI AAGLEY EEK PURAKHJ KHARA
TE TOU ASU JHALINEY UBHAA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE PURAKH KAY MUKH MA(N)HE AISEI JO WAANI
AAWO AAWO KARINEY PUKAREY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI SHAH PIR NEY PICHHANEY
TE TOU GHUGRI NICHEY AAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE MOMIN BURAQ UPPER BHAITHE(N) GEY
TE TOU SARAG NI SAHEEL SARVEY DEKHEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI SYED IMAM SHAH EIU(N)J BOLIYA
SACHA MOMIN SOHI PICHHANO JIREY BHAI

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri May 27, 2016 2:29 pm

Below are translations of the Ginans provided.

THIRD GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode, there is tied a gugri . This gugri's luminosity has no limits.

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI HETHEY EK RANGAJ LAGO
DAS ASIMAAN THI MALAIK AAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! There is much celebration beneath that gugri. It is visited by angels from the ten heavens.

JIREY BHAI TE MALAIK DURUD NIMAAJ PARHEY
TE SACHA RIKHISAR NE KAJEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Those angels recite salwats and perform nimaz for the sake of true believers.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MAHE(N) JE KOI ARDHI RAATEY JAAGEY
TENEY KAJEY JIKAR KAREY CHHEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! On the plane of mortal existence, those who rise at midnight (for ibadat), these angels perform remembrance for their sake.

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY GHUGRI JEY DITHI
TE DITHIYU(N) WAATU HUM KAHWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah teaches: "I have seen that gugri and I am only relating about what I have seen."

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FOURTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENU TEJ ANANT DEESEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode (final destination) there is tied a gugri. It's luminosity appears without limits.

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NICHEY EK SATI BAITHI
TENU NAAM TOU MAHA SATI KAHEIYE JIREY BHAI

O brother! Underneath the gugri is seated a sati ( pious lady). She is considered as a Maha Sati ( great pious lady).

JIREY BHAI TE SATI NA HAATH MA(N)HE EKAJ MAARA
TE TOU PHERWAY NE JIKAR KAREY CHHEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! In the hands of that sati is a rosary. She keeps moving the beads while performing zikr.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA JE KOI SEEL SANTOSH RAKHEY
TE SATI TENI JUEIY CHHE WAATT JIREY BHAI

O brother! On the plane of mortal existence, those who are pure and contented, the sati is awaiting them.

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY SATIJ DITHI
TAMEY TE SAHI SACHU KARI JANU JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah teaches: "I have seen that sati, consider it to be true".

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Sat May 28, 2016 12:20 pm

SEVENTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENI JOT NIRMAL HOEI JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI GHUGRI NEECHEY BICHHANA JO PARIYA
TISS UPPAR PUSTAK RAKHIYA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE PUSTAK MA(N)HE AKHAR AJAB
TE MA(N)HE LOH QALAMEY LIKHIYA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE PUSTAK AAGEY EEK MALAIK UBHA
TENA HATHEY HIRA JARIYA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI UNN KE AJWALEY TE PUSTAK DEESEY
AUR SHAH KI SHAFAYAT KAHAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI RAAT DIN JAAGEY
ANEY GUR NA GINAN SUMBHLAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MALAIK UBHA TENIY(N)U WATTU(N) JUEIY CHHEY
TE PUSTAK PASSEY VELA AAVO JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI JE SHAH PIR KI SACHI DASONDJ AALEY
TE TOU GHUGRI NEECHEY AAWEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI UNNU BICHHANEY UPPAR UNKO BITHAAWEY
ANEY PUSTAK PASSEY RAKHEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANNEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY BHICHHANA PAR BHAITHA
TOU TAMEY SACHU KARI MANO JIREY BHAI

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EIGHTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI CHHEY SURAJ SAMAAN JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NEECHEY EEK CHHATARJ DHARIYA
TISS CHHATAR KA TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI CHHATAR HETHEY EEK NAR JO BHAITHA
TE TOU MOMIN NI JUEIY CHHEY WAATT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI EEK MON RAHWEY
TE TOU BAISEY NAR KE HUJUR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE NAR TOU NOOREY NIPAYA
TISS KEY JOTEY JOT MILAYA JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI CHHATAR TALEY BHUHUT SUNGHAR KEEDHA
RAAT DIVAS MALAM NA SUJHEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI SYED INDAR IMAMDIN SAACHUJ KAHWEY
NAJARO NAJAR MILLAOU(N) JIREY BHAI

agakhani_1 · Post by **agakhani_1** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:05 pm

Thanks you very much for Ghughari ginans

What is 'LOHE KALAM"?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat May 28, 2016 3:52 pm

English translations of the Gugri Ginans posted.

FIFTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENU TEJ ZAREEZ DEESEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode, there is tied a gugri. It's light appears to be very intense.

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NICHEY EEK RATH JO KHARAA
TISS MEY ANEEK MALAIK BHETHA JIREY BHAI

O brother! Beneath the gugri stands a chariot in which numerous angels are seated.

JIREY BHAI TE ANEEK MALAIK JIKARAJ KAREY
USS MEY JAP TAP KAREY SHAH KA JIREY BHAI

O brother! Those numerous angels are performing zikr comprising of worship and meditation.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI DU POHOREY JAAGEY
TAKU WOH MALAIK MA(N)GEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! In the plane of material existence, whoever stays awake for two pohors (six hours); those angels are in pursuit of this person.

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY SACHUJ BOLIYA
TE DITHU(N) WATU(N) HUM KAHWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah teaches: "We have spoken the truth and are relating to you what we have seen".

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SIXTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI NU TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

O brother! Before the final destination of the eternal abode, there is tied a gugri which radiates light of unlimited intensity.

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI KAY NICHEY EEK BURAQ JO KHARA
SO BURAQ NOOREY NIPAYA JIREY BHAI

O brother! Beneath the gugri stands a burak (horse). This burak is created from light.

JIREY BHAI TENI AAGLEY EEK PURAKHJ KHARA
TE TOU ASU JHALINEY UBHAA JIREY BHAI

O brother! In front of it, a man stands holding it's rein.

JIREY BHAI TE PURAKH KAY MUKH MA(N)HE AISEI JO WAANI
AAWO AAWO KARINEY PUKAREY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Speech arises from the mouth of this man pleading: " come, come".

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI SHAH PIR NEY PICHHANEY
TE TOU GHUGRI NICHEY AAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! On this plane of mortal existence, whoever recognizes the Shahpir (Imam) will arrive under the gugri.

JIREY BHAI TE MOMIN BURAQ UPPER BHAITHE(N) GEY
TE TOU SARAG NI SAHEEL SARVEY DEKHEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! That momin will ride the burak and will have a panoramic view of the entire heavens.

JIREY BHAI SYED IMAM SHAH EIU(N)J BOLIYA
SACHA MOMIN SOHI PICHHANO JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam has thus spoken: "Recognize a true momin as such a person".

SEVENTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENI JOT NIRMAL HOEI JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode, there is tied a gugri. It's light is pure.

JIREY BHAI GHUGRI NEECHEY BICHHANA JO PARIYA
TISS UPPAR PUSTAK RAKHIYA JIREY BHAI

O brother! Underneath the gugri is a bed, upon which a book is placed.

JIREY BHAI TE PUSTAK MA(N)HE AKHAR AJAB
TE MA(N)HE LOH QALAMEY LIKHIYA JIREY BHAI

O brother! That book is written in a strange script; in it the Tablet and the Pen is inscribed.

JIREY BHAI TE PUSTAK AAGEY EEK MALAIK UBHA
TENA HATHEY HIRA JARIYA JIREY BHAI

O brother! In front of that book an angel stands. It's hands are studded with diamonds.

JIREY BHAI UNN KE AJWALEY TE PUSTAK DEESEY
AUR SHAH KI SHAFAYAT KAHAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! By the glitter of them he views the book and requests the intercession of the Imam.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI RAAT DIN JAAGEY
ANEY GUR NA GINAN SUMBHLAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! In the mortal plane of existence, whoever is awake day and night and expounds the wisdom and knowledge of the Guide....

JIREY BHAI MALAIK UBHA TENIY(N)U WATTU(N) JUEIY CHHEY
TE PUSTAK PASSEY VELA AAVO JIREY BHAI

O brother! The standing angel awaits such a person (and pleads): " Come to the book soon ".

JIREY BHAI JE SHAH PIR KI SACHI DASONDJ AALEY
TE TOU GHUGRI NEECHEY AAWEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Whoever submits the true tithe of the Imam, will arrive under the gugri.

JIREY BHAI UNNU BICHHANEY UPPAR UNKO BITHAAWEY
ANEY PUSTAK PASSEY RAKHEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! This person will be made to sit on the bed and will be placed near the book.

JIREY BHAI BHANNEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY BHICHHANA PAR BHAITHA
TOU TAMEY SACHU KARI MANO JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah teaches: " We have sat on that bed, believe this to be true."

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EIGHTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TE GHUGRI CHHEY SURAJ SAMAAN JIREY BHAI

O brother! Ahead of the eternal abode a gugri is tied. That gugri's brightness is like that of the sun.

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NEECHEY EEK CHHATARJ DHARIYA
TISS CHHATAR KA TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

O brother! Underneath the gugri, a covering has been spread. This covering has unlimited luminosity.

JIREY BHAI CHHATAR HETHEY EEK NAR JO BHAITHA
TE TOU MOMIN NI JUEIY CHHEY WAATT JIREY BHAI

O brother! Under the covering one man is seated. He is waiting for a momin.

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE KOI EEK MON RAHWEY
TE TOU BAISEY NAR KE HUJUR JIREY BHAI

O brother! On this plane of material existence, whoever stays focussed (on the purpose) seats near that man.

JIREY BHAI TE NAR TOU NOOREY NIPAYA
TISS KEY JOTEY JOT MILAYA JIREY BHAI

O brother! That man is made from light. Through his light, light is attained.

JIREY BHAI CHHATAR TALEY BHUHUT SUNGHAR KEEDHA
RAAT DIVAS MALAM NA SUJHEY JIREY BHAI

O brother! Underneath the covering there is so much decoration done that one is not aware of the difference between day and night.

JIREY BHAI SYED INDAR IMAMDIN SAACHUJ KAHWEY
NAJARO NAJAR MILLAOU(N) JIREY BHAI

O brother! Sayyed Imam Shah speaks only the truth. I can show him in front of your eyes.

erumsuleman · Post by **erumsuleman** » Sat May 28, 2016 3:56 pm

Loh Qalam which is also termed as Niraakaar bhavan is described in nakhlanki gita and there are few details in girbhawali moti as well. There are multiple interpretations for this term. I think i have given some explanations in my previous article "WAEZEIN". My recommendation would be that you read both the granths by your self and try to interpret yourself. If you need any help i can give you

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat May 28, 2016 4:04 pm

agakhani wrote:Thanks you very much for Ghughari ginans

What is 'LOHE KALAM"?

There is discussion about it at:

AVICHAL ALLAH AVICHAL KHAALAK
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ght=tablet

LAUH-I MEHFUZ: lt is generally supposed to contain all the decrees of God in writing. The word lauh means a 'ttablet for writing" and mehfuz means "that which is guarded". The expression lauh-i mehfuz occurs once in the Holy Koran in connection with the guarding of the Koran that: "Nay! it is a glorious Koran in a guarded tablet" (85:21-22). The word lauh in its plural lorm alwah is used in connection with the books of Moses: "And We ordained for him in the tablets (alwah) admonition of every kind and clear explanation for all things." (71aQ Thus the alwah of Moses and the lauh of the Koran are the same. So far as the Koran is concerned, there is no mention in it of a lauh-i mehfuz in which the Divine decrees are written. Raghib writes: "the nature of it has not been disclosed to us". One thing is quite clear that God's writing is not of the same nature as man's writing; for man stands in need of pen, ink and paper, while God does not. Thus the writing of God therefore does not stand in need of a tablet or ink or pen, and if lauh-i mehfuz is spoken of in certain Hadith, it stands only for the great and allcomprehensive knowledge of God, before which everything is as clear as a writing before man.

QALAM: lt simply means "pen" standing for the Universal lntellect. God says: "He Who taught by the Pen" (96:4), implying that God taught through the mediation of the Universal lntellect through whom God taught every Perfect Man the science of secrets (ilm al-asrar).

http://ismaili.net/heritage/files/Avich ... ddin_0.pdf

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Sun May 29, 2016 2:04 pm

NINTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENU TEJ TOU CHHEY APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TE GHUGRI NEECHEY EEK KURSI JO RAAKHI
TIYAA(N) HURAU(N) CHHEY HAJAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI HURAU(N) KAY HAATH MA(N)HE NOOR KANCHOLA
TE UBHI ARDAAS MAANGEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JEY KOI TRUNN TAANNA JAAGEY
TE HURAA(N) TENI JOEIY CHHEY WAATT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY HURAA(N) JO DITHI
TENEY NOOR KANCHOLA CHHEY HAATH JIREY BHAI.

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TENTH GHUGRI GINAN BY SYED IMAM SHAH.

JIREY BHAI AMRAPURI AGAL EEK GHUGRI JO BHANDHI
TENU TEJ JALKAY APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI TENI JALKAAR SAATEY AASMAAN SUJHEY
ANEY DEVTA SIR NAMEEY JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI GHUGRI NEECHEY TOU MALAIK RAHWEY
TE TOU KAREY CHHEY SHAH SU(N) WAAT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI UNN KAY PAAS EEK SANGHASON RAKHIYAA
UNNU(N) KA TEJ APAAR JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI UNNU(N) KAY AAGEY PECHHEY HURAA(N) JO KHARIYA
TE TOU KAREY CHHEY SHAH SU(N) ARDAAS JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI MARAT LOK MA(N)HE JE NAARI AAPAJ RAKHEY
TE HURAA(N) TENI JUEIY CHHEY WAATT JIREY BHAI

JIREY BHAI BHANEY SYED IMAM SHAH AMEY SACHUJ KAHWEY
TE NAARI TOU HURAA(N) MA(N)HE BHALSEY JIREY BHAI

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Sun May 29, 2016 9:00 pm

QALAM in Ismaili literature is Universal Intellect or NOOR E MUHAMMADI.

LOH is Universal Soul or NOOR E ALI.

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Sun May 29, 2016 9:13 pm

KUMBH MELA

Kumbh Mela is a mass Hindu pilgrimage of faith in which Hindus gather to bathe in a sacred river. Traditionally, four fairs are widely recognized as the Kumbh Melas: the Haridwar Kumbh Mela, the Allahabad Kumbh Mela, the Nashik-Trimbakeshwar Simhastha and the Ujjain Simhastha, although priests at other places have also claimed their local fairs to be Kumbh Melas. These four fairs are held periodically at one of the following places by rotation: Haridwar, Allahabad (Prayaga), Nashik district (Nashik and Trimbak) and Ujjain. The main festival site is located on the banks of a river: the Ganges (Ganga) at Haridwar; the confluence (Sangam) of the Ganges and the Yamuna and the invisible Sarasvati at Allahabad; the Godavari at Nashik; and the Shipra at Ujjain. Bathing in these rivers is thought to cleanse a person of all sins.
At any given place, the Kumbh Mela is held once in 12 years. There is a difference of around 3 years between the Kumbh Melas at Haridwar and Nashik; the fairs at Nashik and Ujjain are celebrated in the same year or one year apart. The exact date is determined according to a combination of zodiac positions of the Jupiter, the Sun and the Moon. At Nashik and Ujjain, the Mela may be held while a planet is in Leo (Simha in Hindu astrology); in this case, it is also known as Simhastha. At Haridwar and Allahabad, an Ardha ("Half") Kumbh Mela is held every sixth year; a Maha ("Great") Kumbh Mela occurs after 144 years.
The exact age of the festival is uncertain. According to medieval Hindu mythology, Lord Vishnu dropped drops of Amrita (the drink of immortality) at four places, while transporting it in a kumbha (pot). These four places are identified as the present-day sites of the Kumbh Mela.
The festival is one of the largest peaceful gatherings in the world, and considered as the "world's largest congregation of religious pilgrims". There is no precise method of ascertaining the number of pilgrims, and the estimates of the number of pilgrims bathing on the most auspicious day may vary. An estimated 120 million people visited Maha Kumbh Mela in 2013 in Allahabad over a two-month period, including over 30 million on a single day, on 10 February 2013.

Hindu Mythology and Indian Terminology / Civilisations

English translation of the first Gugri Ginan - Ismaili