Kalame Mowla

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:16 pm

Are these 14 advice of Mowla Ali mentioned in the book Kalam e Mowla published by ITREB?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:12 am

shivaathervedi wrote:Are these 14 advice of Mowla Ali mentioned in the book Kalam e Mowla published by ITREB?

Not all sayings of Mowla Ali are contained in the publication you have alluded to.

Some more...

Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)!

How near is the living to the dead who will meet him soon;

How far is the dead from the living who has gone away from him;

Certainly nothing is viler than evil except its punishment;

Nothing is better than good except its reward;

In this world everything that is heard is better than what is seen;

While everything of the next world that is seen is better than what is heard!

Have a nice day...

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:25 pm

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:Are these 14 advice of Mowla Ali mentioned in the book Kalam e Mowla published by ITREB?
Not all sayings of Mowla Ali are contained in the publication you have alluded to.

Some more...

Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)!

How near is the living to the dead who will meet him soon;

How far is the dead from the living who has gone away from him;

Certainly nothing is viler than evil except its punishment;

Nothing is better than good except its reward;

In this world everything that is heard is better than what is seen;

While everything of the next world that is seen is better than what is heard!

Have a nice day...

Your these and previous quotations are from Nahjul Balagah.
You quoted Mowla Ali said;

"Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)"

Mowal Ali said," GLORY TO ALLAH (SWT)", then how come Satpunthi Ismailis say 'Imam is God'? Where as Ali is praising Allah!!

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:16 am

shivaathervedi wrote:Your these and previous quotations are from Nahjul Balagah.
You quoted Mowla Ali said;

"Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)"

Mowal Ali said," GLORY TO ALLAH (SWT)", then how come Satpunthi Ismailis say 'Imam is God'? Where as Ali is praising Allah!!

Hazarat Ali was a Caliph and as such his audience was the general Muslim Umma. Hence he cannot project an esoteric concept in front of an exoteric audience. The Imam always speaks according to the level of the audience.

Remember also that Hazarat Ali was the 4th choice. Hence the general Muslim population did not have the understanding of the esoteric nature of Imamat.

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:29 pm

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:Your these and previous quotations are from Nahjul Balagah.
You quoted Mowla Ali said;

"Imam Ali (a.s) said...

Glory to Allah (swt)"

Mowal Ali said," GLORY TO ALLAH (SWT)", then how come Satpunthi Ismailis say 'Imam is God'? Where as Ali is praising Allah!!
Hazarat Ali was a Caliph and as such his audience was the general Muslim Umma. Hence he cannot project an esoteric concept in front of an exoteric audience. The Imam always speaks according to the level of the audience.

Remember also that Hazarat Ali was the 4th choice. Hence the general Muslim population did not have the understanding of the esoteric nature of Imamat.

Let us assume your assertion," The Imam always speaks according to level of the audience". The Satpunthi jamaits are considered esoteric jamaits believing in esoteric concepts, but still addressing the jamaits of subcontinent Imam keep saying INSH'ALLAH/HAMDULILLAH/BLESSING OF ALLAH AND IN A FARMAN OF CHAAN RAAT MSMS SAID,' KHUDA TAMARA GUNNAH BUKHSH KAREY'. An important question is," Why Imam has to hide his position?" Huqq is Huqq, Satiya is Satya. Huqq is with Ali and Ali is with Huqq, what Ali declared is Huqq that is GLORY TO ALLAH.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:06 am

shivaathervedi wrote: Let us assume your assertion," The Imam always speaks according to level of the audience". The Satpunthi jamaits are considered esoteric jamaits believing in esoteric concepts, but still addressing the jamaits of subcontinent Imam keep saying INSH'ALLAH/HAMDULILLAH/BLESSING OF ALLAH AND IN A FARMAN OF CHAAN RAAT MSMS SAID,' KHUDA TAMARA GUNNAH BUKHSH KAREY'. An important question is," Why Imam has to hide his position?" Huqq is Huqq, Satiya is Satya. Huqq is with Ali and Ali is with Huqq, what Ali declared is Huqq that is GLORY TO ALLAH.

It is not a matter of hiding. It is a matter of not creating confusion in society. What happened to Mansur when he told the truth about his status? You don't talk of Calculas when students don't know to add, subtract and mulitply.

Post by **Admin** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:51 am

There is a thread on Ali Allah, please do not discuss this subject here. This is specifically for Kalame Mowla.

Naj ul Bhalaga is on http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ul+bhalaga

Ali Allah discussion is at: http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 9&start=60

shivaathervedi · Post by **shivaathervedi** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:51 pm

kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote: Let us assume your assertion," The Imam always speaks according to level of the audience". The Satpunthi jamaits are considered esoteric jamaits believing in esoteric concepts, but still addressing the jamaits of subcontinent Imam keep saying INSH'ALLAH/HAMDULILLAH/BLESSING OF ALLAH AND IN A FARMAN OF CHAAN RAAT MSMS SAID,' KHUDA TAMARA GUNNAH BUKHSH KAREY'. An important question is," Why Imam has to hide his position?" Huqq is Huqq, Satiya is Satya. Huqq is with Ali and Ali is with Huqq, what Ali declared is Huqq that is GLORY TO ALLAH.
It is not a matter of hiding. It is a matter of not creating confusion in society. What happened to Mansur when he told the truth about his status? You don't talk of Calculas when students don't know to add, subtract and mulitply.

Imam is here to guide clearly and not to create any confusion, otherwise followers will be double minded or more confused. Message should be clear and understandable. Is there any comparison between Imam of the time and Mansoor Hallaj? Was Mansoor more brave than Imam that he declared openly 'I am Huqq'?

Post by **Admin** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:12 pm

This discussion on Mansur al Hallaj should continue on

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 4&start=90

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:17 am

shivaathervedi wrote: Imam is here to guide clearly and not to create any confusion, otherwise followers will be double minded or more confused. Message should be clear and understandable. Is there any comparison between Imam of the time and Mansoor Hallaj? Was Mansoor more brave than Imam that he declared openly 'I am Huqq'?

In an esoteric tradition there are always layers of understanding. It is never one understanding for everyone. Each murid has his own relationship with the Imam. That is why we have majalis to cater for the needs of different murids.

Post by **Admin** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:03 pm

Stick to Kalame Mowla here.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:15 pm

JollyGul.com Presents: Kalame Mawla with Synchronized Lyrics & Translations

https://www.jollygul.com/kalame-mawla/

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:27 pm

Admin

The verse below is missing in the Kalame Mowla link:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23023

jeebh methee hay pu(n)jee teree, howe sahee sab bazaar
ke methee jeebhse adkaa howe, bepaareekaa bepaar
duniyaa bazaar me meethaa bolo,to sab deel tere haath aave
to sab deel meene vase saheb rajaa, usku(n0 tu(n) sahee paawe............74

Polite speech is your capital. It is considered as genuine in the market place. Through polite speech your worth increases. Such is the trade of a trader. In the market place of the world speak politely, then you will have control over all hearts. Since in every heart the Kingly God resides, you will indeed attain Him.

Please can you add it.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:05 pm

Hazrat Ali: Virtues of knowledge

A large number of prophetic traditions were in circulation by the second century of Islam. However, many of them were thought to be falsely attributed to the Prophet, prompting an investigation of which ones were genuine. Investigators consulted hadith specialists (muhaddithun) to trace the hadiths back to the Prophet through a chain of people who had transmitted them. If there were several trustworthy chains for a hadith, it was preserved in the collections. “For the Shi’a, while they too revered the example of the Prophet, they recognised the Imams who provided a continuing source of authority and guidance. Hence, their hadith include the sayings and deeds of their Imams” (Muslim Devotional and Ethical Literature p 20)

Among the notable Shi’i scholars is the work of al-Kulayni (d. 941). Born in Rayy in Persia, he is often referred to by the title al-Razi, commonly attributed to Persian scholars born in Rayy. His work Kitab al-Kafi, the first in a series of thirty-five, is an important compilation of the Prophet’s hadith. Noted for his reliability and trustworthiness, his works have had a profound influence on Islamic scholarship.

In his Kitab al-Kafi, Vol. 1, al-Kulayni notes that Hazrat Ali said:

‘O seeker of knowledge! There are numerous virtues of knowledge. [Should knowledge be incorporated in human form then] humility would be its head; absence of jealousy would be its eye; understanding would be its ear; truth its tongue, search and preservation of truth its memory; purity of motives its heart; recognition and knowledge of [human] affairs and [attributes of] things its reasoning; its hand mercy; its leg, visit to the scholars; its ambition peacefulness; its wisdom guarding against evil; its headquarters salvation; its leader health and vigour; its ride fidelity; its armament sweet words; its sword acceptance [of the truth]; its bow sympathy and hospitality; its army, discourses with the scholars; its wealth manners and good bearing. Guarding against evil would be its treasure; its kit and tiffin good deeds; getting on well [with others] its drink; its guide divine guidance; its mate love of the virtuous.’

Cited in “Hadith Literature,” Muslim Devotional and Ethical Literature, Secondary Curriculum, The Institute of Ismaili Studies, p 23
nimirasblog.wordpress.com/2019/05/29/hazrat-ali-virtues-of-knowledge/

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:11 pm

Kalame Mawla With Lyrics & Translations
Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

JollyGul.com had launched Mohamed (Mac) Virjee's website on its hosting platform in early November 2019 for the Jamat to conveniently play and enjoy Mac's ginans, granths and devotional music all in one place.

JollyGul.com audio player can display synchronized line by line lyrics and translations. However, at that time, only Mac's Satgurna Shaloka album (which has selected recitations of verses from Shaloko Moto and Shaloko Nano accompanied by music) were running with lyrics and translations on our platform.

JollyGul.com has now added lyrics and translations to Mac's very popular Kalame Mawla (with music) recitations as well.

Click on the ➤ icon below to go straight to the Kalame Mawla section of the audio player on Mac's website and start listening with lyrics and translations display on your computer or smartphone.

Kalame Mawla is a poem composed in Hindi, whose content is inspired by sayings, speeches and sermons of Hazrat Imam Ali - our first Imam. Mac gives a 3 minute Preamble (Introduction) to Kalame Mawla before the thematically selected verses (Truth, Knowledge, Charity etc) start playing.

https://www.jollygul.com/mac-virjee/?so ... e%20Mawla)

swamidada_2 · Post by **swamidada_2** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:09 pm

kmaherali wrote:Kalame Mawla With Lyrics & Translations
Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

JollyGul.com had launched Mohamed (Mac) Virjee's website on its hosting platform in early November 2019 for the Jamat to conveniently play and enjoy Mac's ginans, granths and devotional music all in one place.

Kalame Mawla is a poem composed in Hindi, whose content is inspired by sayings, speeches and sermons of Hazrat Imam Ali - our first Imam.

Can Kalame Mowla be called Ginan?
Is it possible to make additions in Kalam e Mowla from Nahjul Balagah (sermons of Mowla Ali) or Pindiyaat?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:46 pm

swamidada wrote:Can Kalame Mowla be called Ginan?
Is it possible to make additions in Kalam e Mowla from Nahjul Balagah (sermons of Mowla Ali) or Pindiyaat?

To me it sounds as a general guidance for Shias and not specifically for Ismailis. For example you will not find
any reference to present Imam or Imams prior to Hazarat Ali. Also although the principle of charity is mentioned, it is not specific about the amount or the method. Hence it cannot be considered as a Ginan in the sense of being guidance only for Ismailis only. This is not to devalue the guidance and wisdom contained therein.
A tradition that has come down to us cannot be compromised through additions or subtractions unless of course authorized by the Imam.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:29 am

Admin,

The translation of Verse 73 at http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23023 needs to be changed due to a typo and mix up with verse 74.

Those who speak politely, have attained a great boon. Sweet tongue is of those who have been accepted by God. If one is polite with everyone, then he/she will capture the hearts of all. As the Kingly Lord is present in every heart, the True Glorious One will be happy with this person.

Thanks!

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:30 am

New Saturday Series: Maxims of Ali

Today we commence our fourth Saturday Series, Sayyid Abu Muhammad's compact book "Maxim's of Ali." This magnificent collection of nearly 600 short, succinct sayings of Hazar Ali is not only a must read for all Ismailis -- young and old, but a priceless collection of wisdom that needs to be read regularly all through life. Especially today, with so much social upheaval taking place around the world, we may feel lost or unsure about what our response or position should be. The collection is organized by some 60 topics and each Saturday we'll publish a few topics, depending on length.

Continued at:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12I0ODf ... 6XKAR/view

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Part 2 -- The World; Man -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n-nnM- ... RHKUV/view

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Part 3 -- Life; Death -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w7R0cQ ... qnfD0/view

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Part 4 -- Prudential Conduct -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FvwYgL ... A3SDx/view

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Part 5 -- Good Men; Bad Men -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ca5E-V ... nR1z7/view

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Part 6 -- Virtue; Vice -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1889oBf ... GZ-m1/view

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Part 7 -- Learning; Knowledge; Education -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t-ynFN ... OMuLS/view

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Part 8 -- Wisdom; Reflection -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nPxDS5 ... Vwxfw/view

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Part 9 -- Intelligence; Ignorance and Stupidity -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17CREEX ... uN1Fd/view

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Part 10 -- Speech; Silence -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X4PWDy ... _o1zV/view

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Part 11 -- Truth; Lying; Hypocrisy -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aND-72 ... I_uGz/view

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Part 12 -- Flattering; Praising -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12Pw_lz ... 5a0go/view

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Part 13 -- Advice -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yaGHE0 ... XCf4S/view

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Part 14 -- Giving; Generosity; Beneficence & Benevolence; Prodigality -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10cYIp8 ... 8XukZ/view

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Part 15 -- Statecraft; Justice; Oppression; Tyranny -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z86b9M ... xQBRw/view

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Part 16 -- Forgiveness; Compassion -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZqlXjE ... xlZnC/view

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Part 17 -- Kinsmen; Friendship; Solitariness; Enemies -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WWcSUZ ... xcvga/view

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Part 18 -- Malice, Backbiting and Slander; Jesting and Laughter -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xD7Zp6 ... HvU-z/view

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Part 19 -- Bravery and Cowardice; Secrets -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d8cCpF ... h2kNs/view

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Part 20 -- Nobilty; Riches -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VhqTPe ... fAYwK/view

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Part 21 -- Self-control; Patience; Chastity and Voluptuousness -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UhUchV ... MBC27/view

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Part 22 -- Temperance; Poverty; Contentment; Gratitude -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-Dv-u ... uqnAS/view

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Part 23 -- Avarice and Greed -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17xXSs0 ... KyUP_/view

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Part 24 -- Health -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WhG68R ... 2Uc-a/view

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Part 25 -- Repentance; Charity and Abstinence -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CKBhFl ... poGcE/view

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Part 26 -- Opportunity; Promise; Recompense -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/108E3lX ... zc_ju/view

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Part 27 -- Anger; Politeness -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a3xwdN ... 0xKtD/view

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Part 28 -- Jealousy; Discord -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X5urXN ... YYKi3/view

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Part 29 -- Miscellaneous -- Maxims of Ali

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RCP-1Y ... ymjfm/view

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:29 am

Kalame Mawla - Complete Recital
With Synchronized Lyrics & Translations

New Service Launched
JollyGul.com has launched "Kalame Mawla - Complete Recital by Zul Dhanji" a new on demand service on our website. Our custom designed and developed audio player also displays synchronized lyrics and translations as the recitation progresses line by line.

Kalame Mawla is a poem of 327 verses, composed in Hindi, whose content is inspired by sayings, speeches and sermons of Hazrat Imam Ali - our first Imam.

JollyGul.com has previously published selected verses of Kalame Mawla thematically recited, with and without music. These can be accessed using the "Kalame Mawla" navigation dropdown menu found at the top of our Home Page. However, there have been requests from the Jamat for us to publish the very popular poetry consisting of 327 verses in its entirety.

It was quite a challenge for us to locate a continuous sequential recitation and recording of the complete Kalame Mawla. We contacted Arzina Merali who with her years of experience helping Ismaili artists record ginans, qasidas and granths has an encyclopedic knowledge of what can be found where. Arzina knew that the late Zul Dhanji of Toronto had recited and recorded the complete Kalame Mawla on several CDs and she got working with the help of Zul's family to assemble a complete collection. Arzina then worked on the CDs, digitized them into file formats that we could use on our online platform. All this took several months of sustained effort. We sincerely appreciate her efforts and thank the late Zul Dhanji's family for all the help and cooperation. We also offer our prayers and thoughts for the eternal peace of the soul of our dear brother, Zul.

The Jamat can now access the new service on a computer or smartphone browser by clicking on the link below or through the JollyGul On Demand App if that is installed on the phone.

https://www.jollygul.com/kalame-mawla-complete-recital/

swamidada · Post by **swamidada** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 am

In old books of Kalam e Moula printed by Ismailia Associations before partition plus first decade after partition, the following stanzas are common. Still ITREB library Karachi has these old books.

AWWAL ZIKR ALLAH KA JO HAI RAHIM RAHMAN

DOYEM KALMA MUHAMMAD KA JO HAI DIN IMAN

SOYEM KALMA MOWLA KA JO YE KALAM SUNAYA HAI

YE KHAZANA JAWAHIR KA HAI SO ZAHIR KAR BATAYA HAI

ALLAH EEK JANO SIRJANHAR MUHAMMAD JANO ALLAH KA NABI

NABI JI KE PICHHEY SAHIB E IMAMAT SAACH KAR MANO MURTAZA ALI

ALLAH EEK MUHAMMAD HAI NABI MOWLA ALI HAI NABI JI KE THHAAM

ISS REET IMAN LAAOU KARO QABUL AEE HAI HUKAM E KALAM

SAACHA BOLO SAACHA CHALO KE MOMIN KA HAI SAACHA DIN

YE FARMAYA SHAH E AUOLIYA AAP MON RAKHO SAACHA YAQEEN

Please refer to jollygul.com/kalam e mawla posted by kmaherali, reciting the same stanzas shows these stanzas were part of old manuscript.

https://www.jollygul.com/kalame-mawla-complete-recital/

Post by **Admin** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:00 pm

swamidada wrote:In old books of Kalam e Moula printed by Ismailia Associations before partition plus first decade after partition, the following stanzas are common. Still ITREB library Karachi has these old books.

AWWAL ZIKR ALLAH KA JO HAI RAHIM RAHMAN

DOYEM KALMA MUHAMMAD KA JO HAI DIN IMAN

SOYEM KALMA MOWLA KA JO YE KALAM SUNAYA HAI

These are later additiosn not found in olden manuscripts. In olden manuscripts Kalame Mowla is a continuous text. The Kalame Mowla divided in chapter is a later happening.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:40 am

Kalame Mawla

Episode 1 (Preamble) and Episode 2 (Truth)

Kalame Mawla is a poem of 327 verses, composed in Hindi, whose content is inspired by sayings, speeches and sermons of Hazrat Imam Ali - our first Imam.

The main message in the poem is ethical, stating the virtues to be cultivated (honesty, brotherhood etc) and the vices to be shunned (jealousy, greed etc).

Mohamed (Mac) Virjee has thematically recited selected verses with music accompaniment in 10 separate titles. JollyGul.com will release 10 Episodes of Mac's recitations of Kalame Mawla in a video format (with lyrics and translations), on a weekly basis over the next 2 months.

Episode 1 - Preamble (Introduction to Kalame Mawla) and Episode 2 Saachka (Truth) are being released today and we will continue to publish one per week until we complete all the 10 Episodes (themes).

Enjoy!

Kalame Mawla Episode 1 (Preamble) - Introduction To Kalame Mawla By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z4hPWy ... e=youtu.be

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Kalame Mawla Episode 2 Saachka (Truth) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahhTMj7 ... e=youtu.be

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Kalame Mawla Episode 3 Sakhaavat (Charity) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NONTSna ... e=youtu.be

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Kalame Mawla Episode 4 Dastaan Manka (The Mind - Lower Self) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T43QxFl ... e=youtu.be

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Kalame Mawla Episode 5 Ilm (Knowledge) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ5a8a6 ... e=youtu.be

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Kalame Mawla Episode 6 Bandagi (Prayer & Remembrance) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg9iAO-gXyU

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Kalame Mawla Episode 7 Sabar (Patience & Gratitude) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWcSBVQGYoA

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Kalame Mawla Episode 8 Piri wa Miragka (Old Age and Death) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwkY-RRccfU

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Kalame Mawla Episode 9 Hassad Himmat (Envy and Courage) By Mohamed (Mac) Virjee

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT15ACz1rRU

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Kalame Mawla - Mohamed Virjee: Final & Concluding Episode 10

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_xI1z0Yr9Y