first article of preamble of Ismaili Constitution

[shivaathervedi]

When Hazar Imam sends Talika Mubarak or a Farman attached with Talika, the ending words are always," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN". I keep thinking, Why Hazar Imam is not using the words like;
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY HAZAR IMAM
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAAN
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY PIR E ZAMAAN.

That is his signature. He does not use different signatures like mazhar shivaathervedi independent to confuse people about his identity.

Have you thought why he calls his murids his spiritual children and distinguishes them from others like:

Irshad Mubarak of Mowlana Hazar Imam Shah Karim Al Hussaini Agakhan, Salamieh, Syria Saturday, November 10, 2001

Bismillah-Al-Rahman-Al-Rahim

My Beloved Spiritual Children, my brothers and sisters in Islam and other faiths Assalam-0-Alaikum

Did Imams before MSMS used the words," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN even in Persian or Hindi?" The Aga Khan is a worldly title bestowed by a Persian king and is commonly used in Central Asian communities as well as in tribal areas of Pakistan. When Imam calls us spiritual children then ending of Talika should be YOUR AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAN. THIS GIVES SPIRITUAL SENSE OF HAPPINESS.
Please concentrate on subjects and topics. Exploring my names is wastage of time. These are not my real names. Even I do non't own a computer or lap top. So far I have not introduced my self. Let ADMIN keep counting IP'S. He mentioned so far 10/12. There are few more. Keep guessing. Mental exercise.

[Admin]

Imam and Pir never make any mistakes

We will have one video of a lecture presented at SOS Khojki Conference that we organised in Toronto in 1990 about a Granth named Chatris Karor

The Granth explains why originally there was a Jamat of 36 Kror that Pir Sadardin was supposed to save but when testing them, 24 kror failed the test because they considered that the Pir was making mistakes and sins.

Actually the test was design to make them think that the Pir was acting "human". They fell in the trap but the remaining 12 kror recognised that there was a mystery in the test.

That will be part of about 24 speeches from SOS Khojki conference, all of which are being encoded at this time.

I will put a message here once they will be online in few weeks hopefully. Meanwhile here is one transcript of the 36 Karor Speech at

http://www.ismaili.net/granths/chatris.html

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
My earlier posting was not getting reflected after submission so few more attempts were tried,so later all attempts got posted.it was unintentional.
I would like to request our nursery teacher Kmaherali.
to explain his student what is difference between a brand name and generic name. and what is difference between login names and IP addresses.
show him extracts of farmans which you see as basic level,primary,secondary and advance level of MHI made in last 60 years.
make sure he has sucking nipples in his mouth so it is kept shut when you take your classes.

In our sufi tariqa .event Pirs and Dai rewrote the holy book with true and melodious wordings and those very same messages of them is NOW our part of primary and complemetory prayers in daily life.
it was Noor speaking out of those bodies as they were at tawhid stage.
they only only said or skipped prayers if any in their time but went beyond and broke that monotony and he wrote to praise God in their own words.Thier life was a living farman.

does anybody remember how many times MHI has used the word 'Sharia' in his Farmans and speeches in last 60 years,I feel one would need microscope to find it.
Pirs and Dai could have used those word keeping in mind the status of those to be inspired then.( it was shown as bottom of the ladder.the ladder itself is not the base but the ground below it.We have MHI to take us up in high speed elevator.(nayaa zamana nayee soch)
human tranport of few persons togather started with horse carriages.Does it mean everone must compusarily drive it before driving in car or sitting in a bus.
BECAUSE of rituals with no reasoning seen in it todays educated minds time nearly 38% of world population is noweither ahetist or non religious and can go up to 70% in next 50 year or even earlier.

[kmaherali]

Did Imams before MSMS used the words," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN even in Persian or Hindi?" The Aga Khan is a worldly title bestowed by a Persian king and is commonly used in Central Asian communities as well as in tribal areas of Pakistan. When Imam calls us spiritual children then ending of Talika should be YOUR AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAN. THIS GIVES SPIRITUAL SENSE OF HAPPINESS.
Please concentrate on subjects and topics. Exploring my names is wastage of time. These are not my real names. Even I do non't own a computer or lap top. So far I have not introduced my self. Let ADMIN keep counting IP'S. He mentioned so far 10/12. There are few more. Keep guessing. Mental exercise.

The Imam uses the same signatures whether signing important agreements or talika messages. It would not be appropriate to sign Hazar Imam when signing important agreements with non-Ismailis.

The blessings that the Imam conveys in his talika should give a spritual sense of happiness.

Each Imam has his own style depending upon his circumstances. It is therefore inappropriate to compare or judge the present Imam based on the previous Imams.

Your ideas and style of writing makes it quite evident that you are a person who has multiple identities in this forum. The IP addresses are irrelevant.

[kmaherali]

The above is your interpretation. 124000 or 180000 is not symbolic. When we say pirs have all kind of knowledge, therefore it was a mistake. TO ERR IS HUMAN.

Ginans are always symbolic. They are meant to be relevant 500 years in the past and 500 years in the future, hence they have to be interpreted according to the outlook relevant to the time. The numbers 124,000 and 180,000 will have a completely different meaning 500 years from today.

[kmaherali]

Yes Imam is Noor of Allah. We are invoking that Noor by saying Tasbih of Ya Ali and Ya Muhammad, both are from same Noor.
LIZIKRIHS SUJUD was introduced in African Jamaits and was abruptly with drawn in 1956. It was never introduced in India and Pakistan. Sorry to write and without annoying; being as a god was MSMS NOT AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES IN ADVANCE?

It was not abruptly withdrawn in 1956. I remember well reciting it in my childhood well into the 1960s. So it was there for at least 10 years and the present Imam was well aware of it.

It was a way of the Imam telling the Jamat in advance that performing Sijda to the Imam was equivalent to performing Sijda to Allah!

[kmaherali]

You have quoted an excerpt of a public speech and it is not a farman.
We say," man proposes and God disposes", when God disposes means there is mystery behind it. So mysteries are part of every day life.

The phrase you quoted is also not part of the Farman, nevertheless your last sentence is correct and agreeable!

[Admin]

LIZIKRIHS SUJUD was introduced in African Jamaits and was abruptly with drawn in 1956.

No. What hapened is that in 1956 Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah sent Shah Karim with a TALIKA to the Madagascar Jamat to recite himself the new Dua replacing the old one for the whole world. India and Pakistan Ismaili Association REFUSED to follow. Syrian Jamat followed in half in the Lizikrihi sujood Jamatkhanas while the other half followed the Ismaili Association for Pakistan (under which administration Syria Jamat was) in the wa taati Jamatkhana, even families were split.

I learned the Dua with Lizikrihis Sujood from 1966 to 1968 (took me a long time) and it changed at the end of 1968 or beginning of 1969.

So when you say it was "Abrutly withdrawn in 1956", you certainly do not have any idea of what you are saying. Changes where brought hap-hazard, one sentence at a time, some times reversed few weeks later and then the Dua became as we are reciting today sometime in 1969 without any Talika to reverse the Dua send with Talika.

Please do not mix the subject here.

There is a discussion on this in the Forum under the link below.

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ujood+tati

[kmaherali]

so when one enter university ,he/she is out of nursery rhymes and poems
as one has to appear for university syllabus exams.
ou tariqa board just shoed a film how diiferent firqa prays, all other than namaz ,othere we re meledious and with music and one sect forming circles and praying.all form is accepted by GOd of all religions.
I find ginan and qasidas more melidious to pray and seek blessings than Dua
as both has same essence and power to deliver.
posturing may not appeal.

Reciting Dua is absolutely necessary for an Ismaili. It provides a collective identity as a commuinty. Whether you are at a University level or nursery level, you have to recite it as per Farman of the Imam. There is no compromise on that.

Imagne if all Ismailis started saying that they are at University and don't need the nursery aspect, our community and Jamat would collapse!

[Admin]

According to Chandrat Farman, Dua and Dassond are the foundation of our faith.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali madad.
what is the content of a Dua.?
It is prasing and glorifying God.
seeking grace and forgivenness.
describing his status as written. and more.
In same spirit and essence Pirs and dais from holy book composed Qasidas and Ginans.
why do we need those then?
If a teacher tells students to write
one line
My teacher is great .
ten time everyday and three times a day.
but some students feel that teacher has more qualities and praise worthy
besides being great.
so he/she write extra lines.
teacher has been waiting for generations that somebody will realize me
and say/write more about me.
expression of Aashique in our sufi tariqa has now led to we khojas and badakshahnis isamilis of today.
imagine if pirs and dai. prayed dua/namaz of that time and kept to themselves only and no preaching or expression of their praise?
stuck themselves to basic principals.
where we would be today.an idol worshipper or atheist in india ?
I have explained that content of our dua is well complmented in ginans,qasidas and tasbih and understanding of farman.
Dua is must is some was seek favour for one self but Khidmat and expression of Aashique is as well living for others.
value collected in one night of power is more than life span of one physical prayers of one person.
if a teacher teaches on volunteer( free coaching worth $40 per hour) basis to 8 poor students in evening and misses her prayers.
will God punish her for teaching during prayer time or bless her for he time to enlighten 8 spiritual children.
is her act of service taken as prayer by God?
one need Imaan to answer this question.
I am aware of Ali's Answer

one is living and surivivng and dying for one self while other may look like an arrogant or disobediant person who skips prayers for human services.

at marifat one look from top to down for absolute truth.
while from shariat to haqiqat is looking from down to top movement in search of relative truth.
we need to learn deeper what is Dua,dasond in wider humantarian context?.what are these higher level of majlis for?
Prophet has said that best of religion is service to humanity.
it mean any thing less for ones own self may be better than lower of religion.
if something is best than lower grade can be good,better or average.
please do not take this message as my arrogant stand.but sublimating basic into greater activity is Sufism mean tariqat,haqiqat and marifat.
Does God want to see humans as parrots and monkies or even as a stallion,lion and eagles.
think divinely and answers.
thinking divinely is FIRST basic of sufism classes.
and art of expressing is higher level .see our Pirs and Dais.
they rewrote the basics,which we relish and follow most of it if understood deeply.

[kmaherali]

I have explained that content of our dua is well complmented in ginans,qasidas and tasbih and understanding of farman.
Dua is must is some was seek favour for one self but Khidmat and expression of Aashique is as well living for others.
value collected in one night of power is more than life span of one physical prayers of one person.
if a teacher teaches on volunteer( free coaching worth $40 per hour) basis to 8 poor students in evening and misses her prayers.
will God punish her for teaching during prayer time or bless her for he time to enlighten 8 spiritual children.
is her act of service taken as prayer by God?
one need Imaan to answer this question.
I am aware of Ali's Answer

Recitation of Duas does not take more than 10 minutes at the most per evening and it can be recited in addition to whatever seva one does. That is the prerogative of the Imam to prescribe. You cannot justify avoiding unless circumstances such as being at work will not allow you to recite. When you are reciting Dua, you are commuinicating with the Imam in addition to being Farmanbardari. There is nothing better than that.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
Dua is a one way communication,while Ibaadat is two communication and khidmat is reflection of the communication or inspiration recieved in one heart.
dua,ibaadat,khidmat are interlinked and value and wieghtage is given by imam.
SMS in his farmans.
reply answer on teacher and in one word not not logic and advice what she must do.she is doing it.judgement is needed sinned or blessed?
there are some entry level questions if entering marifat test after haqiqat
Is she doing a sin by missing prayer as classes could be taken at time only and listening to god and acting on it.
is she being blessed or doing a sin ?
rituals are the lowest and narrow observation of any religion and in many cases disaster ( by ignorants) by itself which many are running away from.
read MHI hidayat on recent lowering of attendance in JK and option hinted by MHI.of 24x7 way and not 10 minutes plus travel time.
Prayers are accepted in MANY forms.let God decide.who are we to advice.
ayat of Quran are to act nobely on those ayat and not necessarily recite those like parrot.read and understand the holy book.
What ALI+lah=allah desires from humanity.
physical prayer is the least and lowest level a person can do for himself,has God given him/her a human life for that only?

[kmaherali]

Ya Ali Madad.
Dua is a one way communication,while Ibaadat is two communication and khidmat is reflection of the communication or inspiration recieved in one heart.
dua,ibaadat,khidmat are interlinked and value and wieghtage is given by imam.
SMS in his farmans.

As I said Dua does not take a great deal of time. One can always find time for it. If you have to work than you can recite before or after, but important to say it.

Below are some Farmans:

"I want you to be regular in your prayers, be regular in your Dua. When you recite Dua, recite it knowing what is the meaning of Dua. I want you to understand Dua and be regular in your prayers. Khanavadan, Khanavadan." (Bombay, Nov 6th 1967)

" I do not want you to recite Dua without knowing what is the meaning of the Dua. It is essential that our young children should know what is the meaning of the Dua. And I would like you to make a special effort in the future, to teach the young boys and the young girls in the religious schools, the meaning of the Dua. I give lastly, to each and every spiritual child here" (Bombay Nov 8th 1967)

When you mention MSMS Farman, please quote date and place. Anyone can say that it is a Farman.

[shivaathervedi]

Imam and Pir never make any mistakes because they are not Humans, they just take human form to guide us( humans ) .

And those Ismailis who think they are human are the same who do mourn in 9 and 10 muharram.

In one of his interview when asked, have you committed any mistakes?
Hazar Imam replied "YES".

[shivaathervedi]

Same rhetoric, no substance, no value.
When Imam says, my spiritual children then in my opinion he should use the words YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAN AND NOT AGA KHAN. The title Aga Khan was bestowed by an Iranian king. Mostly in central Asian countries these words are common even in province of Pkhtunkhwa and FATA.
Before Shah Hasan Ali Shah this title was not used by our Imams. Instesd of rhetoric spend some time in research.

Ask this to Hazir Imam why he is using this title or that title whenever you get any chance to meet him.

And yes...do ask him that there are some Ismailis who believe that you are Allah and they are attempting a big sin, then do listen what Hazir Imam will say, your mind will be blown.

You have already admitted twice in this forum that 99%+ Ismailis do not consider Ali as Allah.
I wish Hazar Imam graciously grant me a private audience and I shall ask him your question.
My Imam never claim to be Allah. You are misguiding public.
Obey the farman of the present Imam. Learn the meaning of Du'a completely and that will clear your mind. Mostly youth asking questions should be cleared by understanding meaning of Du'a.

[shivaathervedi]

Ya Ali Madad.
My earlier posting was not getting reflected after submission so few more attempts were tried,so later all attempts got posted.it was unintentional.
I would like to request our nursery teacher Kmaherali.
to explain his student what is difference between a brand name and generic name. and what is difference between login names and IP addresses.
show him extracts of farmans which you see as basic level,primary,secondary and advance level of MHI made in last 60 years.
make sure he has sucking nipples in his mouth so it is kept shut when you take your classes.

In our sufi tariqa .event Pirs and Dai rewrote the holy book with true and melodious wordings and those very same messages of them is NOW our part of primary and complemetory prayers in daily life.
it was Noor speaking out of those bodies as they were at tawhid stage.
they only only said or skipped prayers if any in their time but went beyond and broke that monotony and he wrote to praise God in their own words.Thier life was a living farman.

does anybody remember how many times MHI has used the word 'Sharia' in his Farmans and speeches in last 60 years,I feel one would need microscope to find it.
Pirs and Dai could have used those word keeping in mind the status of those to be inspired then.( it was shown as bottom of the ladder.the ladder itself is not the base but the ground below it.We have MHI to take us up in high speed elevator.(nayaa zamana nayee soch)
human tranport of few persons togather started with horse carriages.Does it mean everone must compusarily drive it before driving in car or sitting in a bus.
BECAUSE of rituals with no reasoning seen in it todays educated minds time nearly 38% of world population is noweither ahetist or non religious and can go up to 70% in next 50 year or even earlier.

You were PK when you posted 4 times same posting and there were reflections in you mind and you were not stable while posting.
You keep complaining Admin to delete my account this shows your deficiency.

GAIRU(N) SE SUNA TUM NE, GAIRU(N) SE KAHA TUM NE
KUCHH HUM SE KAHA HOTA, KUCHH HUM SE SUNA HOTA

Shiva is brand name and Nuseri is a generic name. Your problem solved.

The things which are settled Imam do not repeat in every farman. For example, before reciting Du'a we should take bath before going to khaney or wash our face, arms and feet to make our self clean. It is every day practice and Imam won't give you lolipop or nipple to suckle on daily basis. Same case is with shariyah. These things are basics and understood by jamaits.
Learn the meaning of Du'a that will give you understanding of our Tariqa.

ALLAH ALLAH KARIYA KARO KUCHH NEEK KAAM KIYA KARO

[shivaathervedi]

Did Imams before MSMS used the words," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN even in Persian or Hindi?" The Aga Khan is a worldly title bestowed by a Persian king and is commonly used in Central Asian communities as well as in tribal areas of Pakistan. When Imam calls us spiritual children then ending of Talika should be YOUR AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAN. THIS GIVES SPIRITUAL SENSE OF HAPPINESS.
Please concentrate on subjects and topics. Exploring my names is wastage of time. These are not my real names. Even I do non't own a computer or lap top. So far I have not introduced my self. Let ADMIN keep counting IP'S. He mentioned so far 10/12. There are few more. Keep guessing. Mental exercise.

The Imam uses the same signatures whether signing important agreements or talika messages. It would not be appropriate to sign Hazar Imam when signing important agreements with non-Ismailis.

The blessings that the Imam conveys in his talika should give a spritual sense of happiness.

Each Imam has his own style depending upon his circumstances. It is therefore inappropriate to compare or judge the present Imam based on the previous Imams.

Your ideas and style of writing makes it quite evident that you are a person who has multiple identities in this forum. The IP addresses are irrelevant.

AGA KHAN IS A WORLDLY TITLE. While dealing with non Ismailis, or signing agreements is fine. My question is related to jamaiti matters. Talika or farman is related to his spiritual children and that is coming from Imam e Zaman.

[shivaathervedi]

The above is your interpretation. 124000 or 180000 is not symbolic. When we say pirs have all kind of knowledge, therefore it was a mistake. TO ERR IS HUMAN.

Ginans are always symbolic. They are meant to be relevant 500 years in the past and 500 years in the future, hence they have to be interpreted according to the outlook relevant to the time. The numbers 124,000 and 180,000 will have a completely different meaning 500 years from today.

You wrote Ginans are always symbolic, this means what ever mentioned in ginans ie stories, events, numbers like 36 kror, 12 kror, ashtt kror. dus avtar are all symbolic. I do not understand that after 500 years from now and then how the numbers 124000 will become 180000 or other way round. 700/800 years passed Still the numbers are there in recently published ginan books.

[ismaili103]

Imam and Pir never make any mistakes because they are not Humans, they just take human form to guide us( humans ) .

And those Ismailis who think they are human are the same who do mourn in 9 and 10 muharram.

In one of his interview when asked, have you committed any mistakes?
Hazar Imam replied "YES".

And I'm sure after listen that answer in the interview many ismailis faith gone weak, thats how Imam examine our faith, for whole world he is human who make mistakes but for us he is Manifestation oh Allah OR He is Allah.

BTW give reference of that interview.

[ismaili103]

You wrote Ginans are always symbolic, this means what ever mentioned in ginans ie stories, events, numbers like 36 kror, 12 kror, ashtt kror. dus avtar are all symbolic. I do not understand that after 500 years from now and then how the numbers 124000 will become 180000 or other way round. 700/800 years passed Still the numbers are there in recently published ginan books.

Obviously numbers are symbolic.

Imam Sultan Mohd Shah had said in his farman that there are 50000 Adam came.

Pirs uses numbers only to tell us that there are not only 10 avatars came , 77 patras came or 124000 prophet came, but from the begining of the time Imamat and Piratan ( Prophethood) was there and thats why Pir doesn't mentioned the exact number of the Imam and Prophets came because people at that time could not able to u derstand those numbers because of no advancement in science and technology. [/quote]

[Admin]

Obviously in Interviews, he will give human answers else everyone would be Ismaili. As Imam said, he does not want quantity, he prefers quality

Do you really expect him to tell the interviewer that he is God? Does the interviewer or his reader even know the meaning of "God".

Its not going to happen. Not in your lifetime.

[ismaili103]

You have already admitted twice in this forum that 99%+ Ismailis do not consider Ali as Allah.
I wish Hazar Imam graciously grant me a private audience and I shall ask him your question.
My Imam never claim to be Allah. You are misguiding public.
Obey the farman of the present Imam. Learn the meaning of Du'a completely and that will clear your mind. Mostly youth asking questions should be cleared by understanding meaning of Du'a.

From now I will pray for you everyday in JK that you get chance to meet Mowla because I really want you to ask Imam those questions because I know the answers from Mowla will blow your mind.

That kind of incident already happened in Didar when a girl ask mowla that question.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
I wish to from members:
1.Is the word Sharia.Shariat mentioned in thr preamble?
2.How many times MHI used that word in his speeches or farmans?
3.does our community have any shari board,council.commitee?
we ismailis start at tariqat level.
our refined Dua along with ginans/qasidas.ibaadat/tabish and farmans form
collective part of our TARIQA.

a word which sounded as holy few decades back and now is looked down with fear and suspision.
Just yesterday re acting to attacks in Nice,France.ex speaker of the house is USA Mr Gingrich said,
all muslims must be t roughly checked and if they follow sharia laws ,then they should be deported from USA.
he has equated ideology and acts of sharia to TERRORISM.
few decades from from now this word called Guess what????
we thanks MHI that this word does not come in ismaili tariqa currently.
only non Ismaili try to push this word in this forum.
what pirs said was 700 years back when target audience needed sharia as base.
we are blessed SOULS and promoted to be born in tariqa.
if there is airflight route from India to USA.one need compulsarily need go via land route or sea route now.
there was no airplanes 700 year backs.
as land/sea route is bypassed ,in same wat bypassed the sharia and start from tariqa level .we are told to look upward and move downwards.
refined dua is a part of tariqa.

to kmaherali:Ya ali madad.
I asked one word answer and NOT any extract of farmans. these are few pages of 4-5 books ,there are other farmans of MHI which impress upon me.
I do accept that farman.
In a Farman by imam SMS.( wording changed).
he has told to become like great Pirs ,dai and prophets and took some names and also said that they were bold and courageous and took a
DIFFERENT PATH.( stop)
they became part of our history,traditions and tariqa.
What is this Different path?
I need answer on it?

toIsmaili103 : Ya Ali madad.
Please the incident of girl asking question to MHI with place and year.I would be interesting to know that.
your explaination of the word AgaKhan was over stated and you may have got carried away in that.

[kmaherali]

In one of his interview when asked, have you committed any mistakes?
Hazar Imam replied "YES".

When you identified yourself as mazhar, you raised the same issue which was addressed in the beginning of this thread. The answer is given in pages 1 and 2 of this thread.

[kmaherali]

My Imam never claim to be Allah. You are misguiding public.
Obey the farman of the present Imam. Learn the meaning of Du'a completely and that will clear your mind. Mostly youth asking questions should be cleared by understanding meaning of Du'a.

You said the same thing when you were mazhar. This has been discussed in pages 1 and 2 of this thread.

[kmaherali]

AGA KHAN IS A WORLDLY TITLE. While dealing with non Ismailis, or signing agreements is fine. My question is related to jamaiti matters. Talika or farman is related to his spiritual children and that is coming from Imam e Zaman.

I think the Imam is being consistent as his talika messages are sometimes read by others as well. Hence the same signature implying the same person. Also it can raise legal issues using different signatures.

[kmaherali]

I do not understand that after 500 years from now and then how the numbers 124000 will become 180000 or other way round. 700/800 years passed Still the numbers are there in recently published ginan books.

The numbers themselves will not change but their meaning and significance will change. Science today is telling us that time itself is relative to the frame of reference, it is not absolute. That frame will change for sure.

[kmaherali]

BTW give reference of that interview.

The interview was in the Sunday Times of 1965. There has been discussion on pages 1 and 2 of this thread.

[Admin]

AGA KHAN IS A WORLDLY TITLE. While dealing with non Ismailis, or signing agreements is fine. My question is related to jamaiti matters. Talika or farman is related to his spiritual children and that is coming from Imam e Zaman.

We say always that those are Talika of NOOR Mowlana Shah Karim Hazar Imam, we never said to other Ismailis we have received Talikas of Aga Khan. This is because we understand the nature of our Imam and he knows we will understand whatever name he writes.

I was told one day that Imam needs time of preparation to give Didar and seeing the Imam in the street is not Didar. I thought what an innocent man, he thinks Imam is like Superman who need his Cap on his shoulder to fly (or a Jabo to make Farmans and give Didar). What a sad state of affairs.

Lets come back to the thread because it looks like some people want to discuss here everything and nothing. Find the proper thread and post there. All the zillions subjects discussed here in dozens of pages are mostly discussions that should have happened on other threads.