In my opinion mostly all religions and their sub sects are contaminated.
They are commercialized and money making machines. So called God mans, rabbis,pastors, mullahs, sadhus, sufis, and religious leaders accumulate millions of rupees and dollars. They collect donations mostly for personal use.
They use name of Allah, Prophet, Imam, saints, pictures of Christ, Rama, Shiva,
other gods and goddesses, pictures of Mowla Ali, ka'batullah, baitul muqadas,
karballa with pictures of horses, small cradles and so on in the name of religion and are playing with the emotions of innocent people for their monetary gains.
Only few are sincere in collecting donations and using money on needy, hungry, education, health and housing.
I think humanity is better off without religions.
Humanity better off without religions.
Your criticism about religions is valid, though religion has generally served positively in nurturing and supporting socieities. There are interesting articles about how religious traditions have benefitted individuals and societies genrally at:
Jamatkhana Attendance
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 13&start=0
In his Memoirs, MSMS stated:
"Islam in all these countries has within it, I earnestly believe, the capacity to be a moral and spiritual force of enormous significance, both stabilizing and energizing the communities among whom it is preached and practised. To ignore Islam's potential influence for good, IsIam's healing and creative power for societies as for individuals, is to ignore one of the most genuinely hopeful factors that exist in the world today."
The relationship between the Imamat and Portugal is predicated upon shared common faith based approaches to the solution of development problems around the world.
Jamatkhana Attendance
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 13&start=0
In his Memoirs, MSMS stated:
"Islam in all these countries has within it, I earnestly believe, the capacity to be a moral and spiritual force of enormous significance, both stabilizing and energizing the communities among whom it is preached and practised. To ignore Islam's potential influence for good, IsIam's healing and creative power for societies as for individuals, is to ignore one of the most genuinely hopeful factors that exist in the world today."
The relationship between the Imamat and Portugal is predicated upon shared common faith based approaches to the solution of development problems around the world.
Ya Ali Madad.
It is true more n more educated are going out of religion with medeval acts
rituals, belief n symbols.( all potential future ismailis enmasse when time comes)
all religion with no substance will die off slowly,
few decades from now ONLY one faith will shine when all religion will be dying.
the faith which is not physically demanding with modern time has equally active deep spiritual acts
which balances n bless the person and has has noble objective to serve the cause of humanity,It is one n one ONLY ISMAILI.
Common sense says the junglis need to be in jungle of darkness and not on this website.
It is true more n more educated are going out of religion with medeval acts
rituals, belief n symbols.( all potential future ismailis enmasse when time comes)
all religion with no substance will die off slowly,
few decades from now ONLY one faith will shine when all religion will be dying.
the faith which is not physically demanding with modern time has equally active deep spiritual acts
which balances n bless the person and has has noble objective to serve the cause of humanity,It is one n one ONLY ISMAILI.
Common sense says the junglis need to be in jungle of darkness and not on this website.
MHI in his Irshad Mubarak to the Syrian Jamat said:nuseri wrote: few decades from now ONLY one faith will shine when all religion will be dying.
the faith which is not physically demanding with modern time has equally active deep spiritual acts
which balances n bless the person and has has noble objective to serve the cause of humanity,It is one n one ONLY ISMAILI.
Common sense says the junglis need to be in jungle of darkness and not on this website.
In Islam, the pluralism of human society is well recognized, and the ethics of its multiple interpretations require that this diversity be accorded respect. The Shahada, La-Illaha-Il-Allaah-Muhammad-ur-Rasulilah – binds a thousand million people who over the centuries, have come to live in different cultures, speak different languages, live in different political contexts, and who differentiate in some interpretations of their faith. Within the Ummah, the Ismaili Jamat reflects much of the same pluralism. The plurality of the Muslim world is not just an irreversible historical fact, but it is a strength for which we must be grateful, and a strength that must be continuously harnessed to the building of the future with in the ethics of Islam. Any differences must be resolved through tolerance, through understanding, through compassion, through dialogue, through forgiveness, through generosity, all of which represent the ethics of Islam. I urge upon you all, that you build warm relations with each other here in Syria, and elsewhere, and that together, you respond to the challenges which life may put before you.
Religion has been a necessity even for the guidance of physical life. For example the Western world was for a long time based on and guided by Bible. At least there was a sense of direction.
Look now how they have drifted apart and are completely lost. What was marriage between man and women became marriage between two persons. Then Dogs where allowed to inherit and therefore became "persons" and soon marriage between two person will become marriage between man and dog.
So without being judgmental, one can see that taking distance from long established accepted guidelines without proper thinking can lead to catastrophic conclusions because with whatever flaws it came, the biblical guidance and the 10 commandments were for many centuries the "Sirat al Mustaqueem" (The Right Path) for the Western World.
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Look now how they have drifted apart and are completely lost. What was marriage between man and women became marriage between two persons. Then Dogs where allowed to inherit and therefore became "persons" and soon marriage between two person will become marriage between man and dog.
So without being judgmental, one can see that taking distance from long established accepted guidelines without proper thinking can lead to catastrophic conclusions because with whatever flaws it came, the biblical guidance and the 10 commandments were for many centuries the "Sirat al Mustaqueem" (The Right Path) for the Western World.
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Admin wrote:Religion has been a necessity even for the guidance of physical life. For example the Western world was for a long time based on and guided by Bible. At least there was a sense of direction.
Look now how they have drifted apart and are completely lost. What was marriage between man and women became marriage between two persons. Then Dogs where allowed to inherit and therefore became "persons" and soon marriage between two person will become marriage between man and dog.
So without being judgmental, one can see that taking distance from long established accepted guidelines without proper thinking can lead to catastrophic conclusions because with whatever flaws it came, the biblical guidance and the 10 commandments were for many centuries the "Sirat al Mustaqueem" (The Right Path) for the Western World.
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You are right, they have drifted away from religion. who cares for teaching of Bible or ten commandments. In the west they are after material gains, sex, lust and finally die in senior homes on tax payers money. In east religion is dying slowly and in west rapidly. Jews, Christians, Hindus and Muslims are killing each other in the name of religion and destroying each other. Poor pluralism is helpless.
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Difference between Religion and followers of Satan ( Iblees )
1.In the religion of God there are thousands of different sects fighting with each other.
In the religion of Iblees there are no sects.
2. In the religion of God there are 4 stages to reach top level. Individuals and groups keep fighting on subject matter of these stages especially SHARIYAT.
In the satanic religion there is no shariyat, hence no fighting and no killings.
3. Mostly all God created religions are throat cuts, killers, keep killing in the name of God.
There are no killer religions under umberella of Iblees.
4. In God's preffered religion, there are 72 major sects, each claiming they are right and others will go into hell.
There aren't any 72 satanic sects.
5. In God's religion, RELIGIOUS CON ARTISTS collect donations and charity
and spending on them selves.
You won't find any person collecting money in the name of Iblees.
6.The so called God's men preferred to be called pious, mutaqqi, righteous persons but they are sinners.
Followers of Iblees are down to earth and never claim to be pious.
7. These so called religious leaders and their followers will keep fighting on SHARIYAT in paradise.
The followers of Iblees, if they are put into hell, shall be at tranquility and peace.
1.In the religion of God there are thousands of different sects fighting with each other.
In the religion of Iblees there are no sects.
2. In the religion of God there are 4 stages to reach top level. Individuals and groups keep fighting on subject matter of these stages especially SHARIYAT.
In the satanic religion there is no shariyat, hence no fighting and no killings.
3. Mostly all God created religions are throat cuts, killers, keep killing in the name of God.
There are no killer religions under umberella of Iblees.
4. In God's preffered religion, there are 72 major sects, each claiming they are right and others will go into hell.
There aren't any 72 satanic sects.
5. In God's religion, RELIGIOUS CON ARTISTS collect donations and charity
and spending on them selves.
You won't find any person collecting money in the name of Iblees.
6.The so called God's men preferred to be called pious, mutaqqi, righteous persons but they are sinners.
Followers of Iblees are down to earth and never claim to be pious.
7. These so called religious leaders and their followers will keep fighting on SHARIYAT in paradise.
The followers of Iblees, if they are put into hell, shall be at tranquility and peace.
The people involved in conflicts and fighting between religions are a minority. The majority of the practising people are peaceful and tolerant. Also conflicts and fighting tend to get highlighted and the silent beneficial work of the faith get unnoticed.
In one of the speeches MHI said:
"These failures are compounded by our pernicious dependence on what I call crisis reporting — the inclination to define news primarily as that which is abnormal and disruptive. As one journalist puts it: “It is the exceptional cat, the one who climbs up in a tree and can’t get down, that dominates our headlines, and not the millions of cats who are sleeping happily at home.”
Most of the public, however, has no context in which to place the story of the exceptional cat that climbs a tree. And without that context, the casual reader or viewer, never hearing about the cats that stay home, comes to think of all cats as tree-climbing pests who are forever imposing on the fire departments of the world to bring out their ladders and haul them down to safety."
http://www.akdn.org/Content/979/Commonw ... uth-Africa
In one of the speeches MHI said:
"These failures are compounded by our pernicious dependence on what I call crisis reporting — the inclination to define news primarily as that which is abnormal and disruptive. As one journalist puts it: “It is the exceptional cat, the one who climbs up in a tree and can’t get down, that dominates our headlines, and not the millions of cats who are sleeping happily at home.”
Most of the public, however, has no context in which to place the story of the exceptional cat that climbs a tree. And without that context, the casual reader or viewer, never hearing about the cats that stay home, comes to think of all cats as tree-climbing pests who are forever imposing on the fire departments of the world to bring out their ladders and haul them down to safety."
http://www.akdn.org/Content/979/Commonw ... uth-Africa
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Reply,kmaherali wrote:The people involved in conflicts and fighting between religions are a minority. The majority of the practising people are peaceful and tolerant. Also conflicts and fighting tend to get highlighted and the silent beneficial work of the faith get unnoticed.
In one of the speeches MHI said:
"These failures are compounded by our pernicious dependence on what I call crisis reporting — the inclination to define news primarily as that which is abnormal and disruptive. As one journalist puts it: “It is the exceptional cat, the one who climbs up in a tree and can’t get down, that dominates our headlines, and not the millions of cats who are sleeping happily at home.”
Most of the public, however, has no context in which to place the story of the exceptional cat that climbs a tree. And without that context, the casual reader or viewer, never hearing about the cats that stay home, comes to think of all cats as tree-climbing pests who are forever imposing on the fire departments of the world to bring out their ladders and haul them down to safety."
http://www.akdn.org/Content/979/Commonw ... uth-Africa
The fire department's ladders are not coming upward to tree from ground to rescue but are coming from the sky to bomb them, result to put more oil on troubled waters to create more chaos and destruction.
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Other perspective of Adam and Iblees story.
Iblees sacrificed himself for cause of God.
The story of Adam and Iblees is a never ending story, the end will be on dooms day, if there is any. God is the producer, director, and writer of Adam-Iblees drama.
When God asked Iblees to prostrate Adam he refused. Suppose if Iblees had requested God, Sir I have changed my mind. I have decided to prostrate to Adam, then scenrio should have changed and God had to rewrite the drama.
God had to look for other actor to perform in place of Iblees. But that was pre planned. By obeying God's plan Iblees sacrificed for cause of God. Role of Iblees as a villion will remain for ever. The last episode should be watchable when Iblees will appear as God's man.
QISA E ADAM KO RANGEEN KAR GAYA KIS KA LAHU.
Iblees sacrificed himself for cause of God.
The story of Adam and Iblees is a never ending story, the end will be on dooms day, if there is any. God is the producer, director, and writer of Adam-Iblees drama.
When God asked Iblees to prostrate Adam he refused. Suppose if Iblees had requested God, Sir I have changed my mind. I have decided to prostrate to Adam, then scenrio should have changed and God had to rewrite the drama.
God had to look for other actor to perform in place of Iblees. But that was pre planned. By obeying God's plan Iblees sacrificed for cause of God. Role of Iblees as a villion will remain for ever. The last episode should be watchable when Iblees will appear as God's man.
QISA E ADAM KO RANGEEN KAR GAYA KIS KA LAHU.
In some interpretations, Iblees is the ultimate symbol of self sacrifice because God had announced that one of the Angels would not obey him and become Satan.
All Angels went to Azazil and asked him, what should we do, we do not want to be the one that will betray God and Azazil promised them that nothing will happen to them because he will be the one to take all the blame on himself so that the other Angels are saved from the wrath of God
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All Angels went to Azazil and asked him, what should we do, we do not want to be the one that will betray God and Azazil promised them that nothing will happen to them because he will be the one to take all the blame on himself so that the other Angels are saved from the wrath of God
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Reply,Admin wrote:In some interpretations, Iblees is the ultimate symbol of self sacrifice because God had announced that one of the Angels would not obey him and become Satan.
All Angels went to Azazil and asked him, what should we do, we do not want to be the one that will betray God and Azazil promised them that nothing will happen to them because he will be the one to take all the blame on himself so that the other Angels are saved from the wrath of God
Sounds God's pre planned script. Isn't it?
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Angels didnot prostrate statue of Adam, but they prostrate to the Noor inside him which is divine.junglikhan4 wrote:God made statue of Adam and ordered angels to prostrate him. He started the tradition and then with drew it. Today we are are not allowed to worship idols or pictures.
KIYA YEH KHULA TAZADD NAHI HAI!
Ya Ali Madad:
I may reprhase the subject heading.
I feel educated human population is better off without religious symbols n rituals.
As they see no value in it today's time era n society
it should be.
1.responsibility of the family.
3.concern,care and help to fellow human beings
4.obligations of reilgious symbols n rituals.
First two reflects the blessing of God , what is most needed.
what is the point of praying 1000 times n and running away of worldly responsibility.
as we see sharia,tariqa,haqiqat n marfia are levels of intellect.
as person get informed n educated moves upward in reasoning see futility
in symbols n ritual of past ages unwarranted in today's time for example
A Sikh wearing turban n beard.( a symbol screwing up his lifestyle)
I would love to respect n bow down a living entity who can hear n give blessing n guidance rather than any dead entity or symbols ,images or structures.
I also feel that Christianity is blessed bases on their appearance and places of stay as they followed jesus to the level of truth.
( love,compassion,charity etc). many are blessed more than population of sharaiti n taraqati( shia) on earth.
Shariatis are rotting in wholesale by getting attached to symbols n ritual of an entity( as seen heard n said by tom dick n harry of those times)
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inspite of following the prophet to marifa level(7th level) greater than level of jesus ( 6th level).
major part of sharati have un blessed lives n many living in near hell like status.
I strongly feel educated ( tariqat level of reasoning) is 50 times better off
than with ignorance n common sense( sharia) who are stuck in past ages
symbols n ritual.
saying of hadith.
'Service to humanity is best of religion.'
why it was said .this was end stage of prophet's life when he achieved marifat.
while the act of prayers were impressed upon him by an angel,when he was beginning stage of ignorance n common sense( sharia).
it is said in holy book that prophet was ummi( unlearned) before he became en lighted.
we are today what he valued at highest level of his Noor and majority
are stuck into what he did at lowest/beginning level of his enlightenment.
if observes closely both the act and his saying are opposite n not easy to gulp it down.( cry baby please note)
what we Ismailis see as an upwardly level of progress of faith where religion get convert into act of helping humanity as said in Hadith
I may reprhase the subject heading.
I feel educated human population is better off without religious symbols n rituals.
As they see no value in it today's time era n society
it should be.
1.responsibility of the family.
3.concern,care and help to fellow human beings
4.obligations of reilgious symbols n rituals.
First two reflects the blessing of God , what is most needed.
what is the point of praying 1000 times n and running away of worldly responsibility.
as we see sharia,tariqa,haqiqat n marfia are levels of intellect.
as person get informed n educated moves upward in reasoning see futility
in symbols n ritual of past ages unwarranted in today's time for example
A Sikh wearing turban n beard.( a symbol screwing up his lifestyle)
I would love to respect n bow down a living entity who can hear n give blessing n guidance rather than any dead entity or symbols ,images or structures.
I also feel that Christianity is blessed bases on their appearance and places of stay as they followed jesus to the level of truth.
( love,compassion,charity etc). many are blessed more than population of sharaiti n taraqati( shia) on earth.
Shariatis are rotting in wholesale by getting attached to symbols n ritual of an entity( as seen heard n said by tom dick n harry of those times)
.
inspite of following the prophet to marifa level(7th level) greater than level of jesus ( 6th level).
major part of sharati have un blessed lives n many living in near hell like status.
I strongly feel educated ( tariqat level of reasoning) is 50 times better off
than with ignorance n common sense( sharia) who are stuck in past ages
symbols n ritual.
saying of hadith.
'Service to humanity is best of religion.'
why it was said .this was end stage of prophet's life when he achieved marifat.
while the act of prayers were impressed upon him by an angel,when he was beginning stage of ignorance n common sense( sharia).
it is said in holy book that prophet was ummi( unlearned) before he became en lighted.
we are today what he valued at highest level of his Noor and majority
are stuck into what he did at lowest/beginning level of his enlightenment.
if observes closely both the act and his saying are opposite n not easy to gulp it down.( cry baby please note)
what we Ismailis see as an upwardly level of progress of faith where religion get convert into act of helping humanity as said in Hadith
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ismaili103 wrote:Angels didnot prostrate statue of Adam, but they prostrate to the Noor inside him which is divine.[/quotejunglikhan4 wrote:God made statue of Adam and ordered angels to prostrate him. He started the tradition and then with drew it. Today we are are not allowed to worship idols or pictures.
KIYA YEH KHULA TAZADD NAHI HAI!
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An innocent question; does the photos hanging R/L sides of wall in JK are divine. I have seen persons praying in front of them, prostrate in front of them,
kissing the photo and frame. Are we noor parast or photo parast.
KIYA YEH KHULA TAZADD NAHI HAI!
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Reply,nuseri wrote:Ya Ali Madad:
I may reprhase the subject heading.
I feel educated human population is better off without religious symbols n rituals.
As they see no value in it today's time era n society
it should be.
1.responsibility of the family.
3.concern,care and help to fellow human beings
4.obligations of reilgious symbols n rituals.
First two reflects the blessing of God , what is most needed.
what is the point of praying 1000 times n and running away of worldly responsibility.
as we see sharia,tariqa,haqiqat n marfia are levels of intellect.
as person get informed n educated moves upward in reasoning see futility
in symbols n ritual of past ages unwarranted in today's time for example
A Sikh wearing turban n beard.( a symbol screwing up his lifestyle)
I would love to respect n bow down a living entity who can hear n give blessing n guidance rather than any dead entity or symbols ,images or structures.
I also feel that Christianity is blessed bases on their appearance and places of stay as they followed jesus to the level of truth.
( love,compassion,charity etc). many are blessed more than population of sharaiti n taraqati( shia) on earth.
Shariatis are rotting in wholesale by getting attached to symbols n ritual of an entity( as seen heard n said by tom dick n harry of those times)
.
inspite of following the prophet to marifa level(7th level) greater than level of jesus ( 6th level).
major part of sharati have un blessed lives n many living in near hell like status.
I strongly feel educated ( tariqat level of reasoning) is 50 times better off
than with ignorance n common sense( sharia) who are stuck in past ages
symbols n ritual.
saying of hadith.
'Service to humanity is best of religion.'
why it was said .this was end stage of prophet's life when he achieved marifat.
while the act of prayers were impressed upon him by an angel,when he was beginning stage of ignorance n common sense( sharia).
it is said in holy book that prophet was ummi( unlearned) before he became en lighted.
we are today what he valued at highest level of his Noor and majority
are stuck into what he did at lowest/beginning level of his enlightenment.
if observes closely both the act and his saying are opposite n not easy to gulp it down.( cry baby please note)
what we Ismailis see as an upwardly level of progress of faith where religion get convert into act of helping humanity as said in Hadith
I agree with your assertions," service to humanity is best religion" and "shariyat,tariqat, haqiqat, and marifat are levels of (spiritual) levels".
My personal views on religion are very simple. I believe in supreme God of universe and humanity and in between these two entities the link is Imam. Very simple no fighting on shariyat.
Islam has described two types of responsibilities. Huqququllah and huqququl Ibaad. Huqququl Ibaad for humanity and huqququllah belong to Allah. By fulfilling both responsibilities a person can uplift his/her soul to merge with He who is above all else.
The Arabic word ummi is from umm which means mother. Many scholars have mentioned that by ummi means Prophet is mother or basis or foundation of religion, though the word ummi is also used for unlearned person too.
The subject has been discussed in another thread. Please stick to the thread here.junglikhan4 wrote: An innocent question; does the photos hanging R/L sides of wall in JK are divine. I have seen persons praying in front of them, prostrate in front of them,
kissing the photo and frame. Are we noor parast or photo parast.
KIYA YEH KHULA TAZADD NAHI HAI!
To give you a short analogy, When I travel, whenever I miss my daughter I kiss my daughter's photo. You may think I am crazy to kiss a piece of paper but for me the photo reminds me of my daughter. I can see beyond the paper. Not everyone can. Especially those who do not have any kind of father-daughter relation with her would not understand. People whi kiss Imam's photo, in Jk or at home like some kids in my family do, can see beyond the frame....
Only God can give you the sight to see him and when he does, he becomes your eyes.
Photo discussion should continue onL
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... photo+kiss
NOT HERE PLEASE.
Ya Ali madad>
wheter yo post as akhan,bkhan or panoti khan. A person who deny or dis belives Imam's farman is a non ismaili at very first instance even if he/she be acting or born as one.
as per all scholars the word 'Ummi' as place in holy book is translated at unlearned and in blunt language of today mean illiterate or ignorant.
In many many many farmans MHI say that When I am not physically present even than I am with you always and all the time,In many farmans he repeated the same line two time in the end.
As per all holy book n scriptures only God can be person all the time.
Imam for a belivier ismaili ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH.
So he directly claiming himslef to be God,so he is very much n via,tia, intercessor,blah ,blah,rubbish.
Non believer of imam farman is NOT AN ISAMILI. SO YOU ARE on the wrong webiste in the first place. you should be in some shariati or shia 12er website.
90% OF YOUR WORDING OF YOUR POSTING is non ismaili rubbish n values.
you cleverly try to impress upon by using the the word as seen,as heard as told by xyz in Aiglemont /volunteers.
YOUR are fooling admin but cannot fool all the people all the time.
BTW WE PRAY to MHI AS 'ALI' IN OUR TASBISH ,THE ENTITY THE person.many like to see his face in photo.
we do not say ya noor,ya noor.
a hadith extract" TO SEE THE FACE OF ALI IS IBAADAT'
I feel we are MOST MOST MOST blessed people on planet earth on doing that.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
STUDY CLOSELY SURA NOOR. it mention noor being embedded in a glass/body.
Noor as said by MHI used the word as understanding/Intellect in his speech.
Intellect can be sourced on this earth to a human body NOT originates/ sourced from
some star in a sky,or a black cube placed somewhere or bottom of sea at x point.
YOU ARE A NON ISMAILI MISTAKENLY LANDED ON THIS WEBSITE.
over to Admin and his faith on you.
wheter yo post as akhan,bkhan or panoti khan. A person who deny or dis belives Imam's farman is a non ismaili at very first instance even if he/she be acting or born as one.
as per all scholars the word 'Ummi' as place in holy book is translated at unlearned and in blunt language of today mean illiterate or ignorant.
In many many many farmans MHI say that When I am not physically present even than I am with you always and all the time,In many farmans he repeated the same line two time in the end.
As per all holy book n scriptures only God can be person all the time.
Imam for a belivier ismaili ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH.
So he directly claiming himslef to be God,so he is very much n via,tia, intercessor,blah ,blah,rubbish.
Non believer of imam farman is NOT AN ISAMILI. SO YOU ARE on the wrong webiste in the first place. you should be in some shariati or shia 12er website.
90% OF YOUR WORDING OF YOUR POSTING is non ismaili rubbish n values.
you cleverly try to impress upon by using the the word as seen,as heard as told by xyz in Aiglemont /volunteers.
YOUR are fooling admin but cannot fool all the people all the time.
BTW WE PRAY to MHI AS 'ALI' IN OUR TASBISH ,THE ENTITY THE person.many like to see his face in photo.
we do not say ya noor,ya noor.
a hadith extract" TO SEE THE FACE OF ALI IS IBAADAT'
I feel we are MOST MOST MOST blessed people on planet earth on doing that.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
STUDY CLOSELY SURA NOOR. it mention noor being embedded in a glass/body.
Noor as said by MHI used the word as understanding/Intellect in his speech.
Intellect can be sourced on this earth to a human body NOT originates/ sourced from
some star in a sky,or a black cube placed somewhere or bottom of sea at x point.
YOU ARE A NON ISMAILI MISTAKENLY LANDED ON THIS WEBSITE.
over to Admin and his faith on you.
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Reply,nuseri wrote:Ya Ali madad>
wheter yo post as akhan,bkhan or panoti khan. A person who deny or dis belives Imam's farman is a non ismaili at very first instance even if he/she be acting or born as one.
as per all scholars the word 'Ummi' as place in holy book is translated at unlearned and in blunt language of today mean illiterate or ignorant.
In many many many farmans MHI say that When I am not physically present even than I am with you always and all the time,In many farmans he repeated the same line two time in the end.
As per all holy book n scriptures only God can be person all the time.
Imam for a belivier ismaili ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH.
So he directly claiming himslef to be God,so he is very much n via,tia, intercessor,blah ,blah,rubbish.
Non believer of imam farman is NOT AN ISAMILI. SO YOU ARE on the wrong webiste in the first place. you should be in some shariati or shia 12er website.
90% OF YOUR WORDING OF YOUR POSTING is non ismaili rubbish n values.
you cleverly try to impress upon by using the the word as seen,as heard as told by xyz in Aiglemont /volunteers.
YOUR are fooling admin but cannot fool all the people all the time.
BTW WE PRAY to MHI AS 'ALI' IN OUR TASBISH ,THE ENTITY THE person.many like to see his face in photo.
we do not say ya noor,ya noor.
a hadith extract" TO SEE THE FACE OF ALI IS IBAADAT'
I feel we are MOST MOST MOST blessed people on planet earth on doing that.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
STUDY CLOSELY SURA NOOR. it mention noor being embedded in a glass/body.
Noor as said by MHI used the word as understanding/Intellect in his speech.
Intellect can be sourced on this earth to a human body NOT originates/ sourced from
some star in a sky,or a black cube placed somewhere or bottom of sea at x point.
YOU ARE A NON ISMAILI MISTAKENLY LANDED ON THIS WEBSITE.
over to Admin and his faith on you.
Here he goes again. A person does not know Arabic and Quran, according to him , he knew not the meaning of mazhar till he was in his 40's is issuing fatwa on ummi. If Prophet was ummi how come he knew the the literature of old scriptures! A person who wrote, he seldom says Du'a, does not know meaning of Du'a, has little knowledge of ginans, hardly go to JK is jumping on this site repeatedly with only one theme and dance around it. It is strange that panoti MULLA NUSERI is issuing fatwa that A,B,C KHAN is not an Ismaili.
ANDALEY KO CHANDRA YARA NAZAR NA AAWEY.
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Ya Ali Madad:Eid Mubarak to our Shariati members.As this one eventful day in a year.As for ismailis every day is an Eid ( day of joy n happiness) as the they living Ali+lah+Allah amongst them.
My observation of shariatis.
1. They do ring ring roses around a black stone.
2. Most houses have pictures of monuments in front or around them when they pray in house.
3. A major stream of them pray n visit shrine n grave of pirs n sufi saint n bow there.
What is all this rubbish doing for dead or stone etc.
Tazadd word cannot be looked with narrow n shallow dimension.
arabic is now a cultural language of dead era.
to earn a livehood and live in moral civil society if moral n values.the language of education,science,research communication is ENgLISH n ENGLISH only IN MAJOR AREA OF THE WORLD.
our Imam guide us and speaks to us in English.
forget the crap of a language ,when ALI say recently he is with us all the time n every time .ONly God/Ali+lah =Allah can say that that he is with every human bieng.he is saying that because he is ALI.WE HAPPILY BOW TO HIM
first try understand just few word of english as said by MHI and his confidence n authority is saying that.
Just farting away with dead era stories n trying to mock Ismailis in a shrewd way.
Shove that shallow word of 'Tazadd' in your xyzhole till death n live with that..
You do know abcd of an English farman.you are wasting your time here n space of our Ismailis
My observation of shariatis.
1. They do ring ring roses around a black stone.
2. Most houses have pictures of monuments in front or around them when they pray in house.
3. A major stream of them pray n visit shrine n grave of pirs n sufi saint n bow there.
What is all this rubbish doing for dead or stone etc.
Tazadd word cannot be looked with narrow n shallow dimension.
arabic is now a cultural language of dead era.
to earn a livehood and live in moral civil society if moral n values.the language of education,science,research communication is ENgLISH n ENGLISH only IN MAJOR AREA OF THE WORLD.
our Imam guide us and speaks to us in English.
forget the crap of a language ,when ALI say recently he is with us all the time n every time .ONly God/Ali+lah =Allah can say that that he is with every human bieng.he is saying that because he is ALI.WE HAPPILY BOW TO HIM
first try understand just few word of english as said by MHI and his confidence n authority is saying that.
Just farting away with dead era stories n trying to mock Ismailis in a shrewd way.
Shove that shallow word of 'Tazadd' in your xyzhole till death n live with that..
You do know abcd of an English farman.you are wasting your time here n space of our Ismailis
This message sounds familiar. It was the same one used by a member called mazhar!junglikhan4 wrote: Reply,
Here he goes again. A person does not know Arabic and Quran, according to him , he knew not the meaning of mazhar till he was in his 40's is issuing fatwa on ummi. If Prophet was ummi how come he knew the the literature of old scriptures! A person who wrote, he seldom says Du'a, does not know meaning of Du'a, has little knowledge of ginans, hardly go to JK is jumping on this site repeatedly with only one theme and dance around it. It is strange that panoti MULLA NUSERI is issuing fatwa that A,B,C KHAN is not an Ismaili.
ANDALEY KO CHANDRA YARA NAZAR NA AAWEY.
According to Mowlana Rumi, the Prophet was ummi in the sense that his knowledge and wisdom was innate, it was not acquired from outside.
From the zaheri perspective the Qur'an was revealed, but from the batini perspective the Prophet's heart was the Qur'an.
There a Ginanic phrase: moman dil Quran meaning a momins heart is the Qur'an.
There is another Ginanic phrase: ham dil khalak Allah so hi vase ji meaning: my heart is the creation, Allah resides in it.
"While working through the topics which you must discuss, I am sure you will never forget that our faith is based on thousands of years of history and that we should learn from history and not think our past is of no use now and that it can therefore be rejected, abbreviated or altered."(Farman, Sep 25, 1964)nuseri wrote: in symbols n ritual of past ages unwarranted in today's time for example
In September 1956, Imam Mawlana Sultan Muhammad Shah sent a Special Holy Message to the Jamats in Africa, which was brought and read out by Mawlana Hazar Imam (Shah Karim), and which contained the following passage:nuseri wrote: arabic is now a cultural language of dead era.
"One of Mowlana Hazar Imam's greatest wishes is being accomplished now: the Du'a will be soon translated into Arabic. Since the 8th century, that is to say the birth of our great religion, Arabic has been the language of Islam. It is probably the most beautiful and most complete of all languages spoken today . For these reasons Mowlana Hazar Imam is very firm in his wish that you should learn the Du'a in Arabic when it is ready."
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kmaherali wrote:This message sounds familiar. It was the same one used by a member called mazhar!junglikhan4 wrote: Reply,
Here he goes again. A person does not know Arabic and Quran, according to him , he knew not the meaning of mazhar till he was in his 40's is issuing fatwa on ummi. If Prophet was ummi how come he knew the the literature of old scriptures! A person who wrote, he seldom says Du'a, does not know meaning of Du'a, has little knowledge of ginans, hardly go to JK is jumping on this site repeatedly with only one theme and dance around it. It is strange that panoti MULLA NUSERI is issuing fatwa that A,B,C KHAN is not an Ismaili.
ANDALEY KO CHANDRA YARA NAZAR NA AAWEY.
According to Mowlana Rumi, the Prophet was ummi in the sense that his knowledge and wisdom was innate, it was not acquired from outside.
From the zaheri perspective the Qur'an was revealed, but from the batini perspective the Prophet's heart was the Qur'an.
There a Ginanic phrase: moman dil Quran meaning a momins heart is the Qur'an.
There is another Ginanic phrase: ham dil khalak Allah so hi vase ji meaning: my heart is the creation, Allah resides in it.
Reply,
I am mazhar of Allah as you are mazhar of Allah or any one else.
You quoted Rumi," Prophet's heart was the Quran" Let me quote a beautiful couplet of Rumi,
GAR CHE QURAN AZ LAB E PAIGAMBER AST
HAR KE GUYAD HAQQ NA GUFT UU KAFIR AST (RUMI)
You wrote ' momin dil Quran' meaning a momin's heart is the Quran. Let me quote here Allamah Iqbal,
HAR LAHZA HAI MOMIN KI NAI AAN NAI SHAN
GIFTAAR ME KIRDAAR ME ALLAH KA QURAN
You gave meaning of " hum e dil khaliq Allah so hi wasey ji" as 'my heart is the creation, and Allah resides in it.'
In my opinion 'humh' is a persian word which means all or every and in Urdu means tamaam. In this ginanic phrase, the meaning will be," in hearts of all, Allah resides there."
Meanings please!junglikhan4 wrote:GAR CHE QURAN AZ LAB E PAIGAMBER AST
HAR KE GUYAD HAQQ NA GUFT UU KAFIR AST (RUMI)
You wrote ' momin dil Quran' meaning a momin's heart is the Quran. Let me quote here Allamah Iqbal,
HAR LAHZA HAI MOMIN KI NAI AAN NAI SHAN
GIFTAAR ME KIRDAAR ME ALLAH KA QURAN.
This Ginan is in hindi and also if you read the whole Ginan which can be accessed at: http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/3778 , you will realize that ham means I. For example:junglikhan4 wrote: You gave meaning of " hum e dil khaliq Allah so hi wasey ji" as 'my heart is the creation, and Allah resides in it.'
In my opinion 'humh' is a persian word which means all or every and in Urdu means tamaam. In this ginanic phrase, the meaning will be," in hearts of all, Allah resides there."
Eji Man meraa musallah Alaah meraa kaaji
kaayaa hameri masitaa e-bhi alaah 6