quran as mentioned in preamble

tret · Post by **tret** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:15 am

ismaili103 wrote: You can get Ali Allah concept in Dam Ham A Dam Ali Ali... But plzz learn that qasida donot just skim it.

Do you know persian btw? How good do you know persian?
My native language is Persian and I know it well. In this Qasida or any other persian Qasida, no where it's implied that Ali [Imam] is God, if we correctly understand the Doctrine of Ismailis.

Post by **Admin** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:27 pm

I don't know Persian but it is very sad that people are trying to hide our heritage. Qasidas are full of Ali-Allah and that was discovered even by early Orientalists a couple of Century ago. These were the type of people our previous Imam said they knew Ismailism better than the Ismailis.

For example, read the 1928 article by Semenov, A. in "Iran" VOLUME: II ; PAGES: pp.1-24

An Ismaili ode dedicated to the incarnations of Ali-God , containing the Qasida-i-Dhurriya by Raqqami Khurasani, and also a list of Imams given by an Iranian Ismaili of the seventeenth century ; DETAILS: "Ismailitskaya oda, posviashchennaya voploshcheniyam `Aliya-Boga"' [An Ismaili ode dedicated to the incarnations of Ali-God, containing the Qasida-i-Dhurriya by Raqqami Khurasani, and also a list of Imams given by an Iranian Ismaili of the seventeenth century], Iran II (1928): 1-24.[/b]

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:42 pm

tret wrote:
ismaili103 wrote: You can get Ali Allah concept in Dam Ham A Dam Ali Ali... But plzz learn that qasida donot just skim it.
Do you know persian btw? How good do you know persian?
My native language is Persian and I know it well. In this Qasida or any other persian Qasida, no where it's implied that Ali [Imam] is God, if we correctly understand the Doctrine of Ismailis.

I didnt know any single alphabet of persian but i have many translated qasidas and this site has also.

I said understand it or learn from it donot skim it.

Arabic is the language of Arabs but they by 1400 years even didnt understand the concept of Imamat. They misunderstood it.

I know you know persian very well but it doesnot mean you understand The hidden pearls and jwels of our central asian sacred litrature.

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:47 pm

To Tret Bro:

You said show us any ginan in which pir sadardin wrote Ali is Allah.

Ok..!!! It means you want evidence for acceptance ..

If i provide you tons of verse cleary state that Ali is Allah then will you plzz accept Ali is Allah. ...

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:16 pm

Ismaili103,

As long as bro Tret is concern he is talented person, very intelligent person, I personally read his all posts and off course criticize him many times but one thing is bout him is he is prejudice

Just wait and see mowla will guide him, this is my thinking.
So let him believe what is he believing at least he is an Ismailis goes khane and believe in Imamat concepts, he is lot better than others Ismailis who consider themselves as an ismailis but doesn't believe in imamat concepts at all! So he is lot better ismailI than many.

Post by **Admin** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:17 pm

It is unreasonable to expect that all Ismailis will have the same understanding of faith, creation, Light, Imamat, Piratan, Naboowat etc... We all have to learn to live with this reality.

tret · Post by **tret** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:20 pm

ismaili103 wrote:
tret wrote:
ismaili103 wrote: You can get Ali Allah concept in Dam Ham A Dam Ali Ali... But plzz learn that qasida donot just skim it.
Do you know persian btw? How good do you know persian?
My native language is Persian and I know it well. In this Qasida or any other persian Qasida, no where it's implied that Ali [Imam] is God, if we correctly understand the Doctrine of Ismailis.
I didnt know any single alphabet of persian but i have many translated qasidas and this site has also.

I said understand it or learn from it donot skim it.

Arabic is the language of Arabs but they by 1400 years even didnt understand the concept of Imamat. They misunderstood it.

I know you know persian very well but it doesnot mean you understand The hidden pearls and jwels of our central asian sacred litrature.

As an ismaili, I think we are past the zahiri and literal and fave values. it's not a fair assumption. The comparison of Arabs having different interpretation is not relevant either.

As I said many times, in order to correctly understand the teachings of Hujjats and Dais, besides Qasida and Ginans, we should study other works of them. And I posted just an excerpt of what our Hujjats' position is on this matter.

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:32 pm

Arabic is the language of Arabs but they by 1400 years even didnt understand the concept of Imamat. They misunderstood it

If Imamat was most important part of Islam, it would be clearly stated in Quran. Prophet passed away only some ninety days after Ghadhir. None of those gathered to appoint next Khalif remembered that Prophet had appointed Hz Ali RA.

mazhar · Post by **mazhar** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:36 pm

Dear Fayaz006,
With ref. to your quote," shortage of manpower." I must say where is will there is way.In pak there was a time when they have acute shortage of Arabic teachers. They prepared a plan , after few years they have scores of Arabic teachers. In USA and Canada I know mostly Ismailis who are welversed in Quran and can be utilised. For contact with them ITREB should use TKN web site., or make an announcement in JKs.This all depend on the WILL of ITREB to implement. For Du'a pronunciation ITREB must take an action. As HI said, Du'a is foundation of our Tariqa. It is good to teach students universal message, but we have to pay attention to our foundation. If today we are not going to correct Du'a of kids and jamaits may be we have to wait next 50 years.

Post by **Admin** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:36 pm

zznoor wrote: If Imamat was most important part of Islam, it would be clearly stated in Quran.

And it is but blind people can not understand Quran 36:12 which has been discussed elsewhere in this Forum (please do not mix the subject here).

mazhar · Post by **mazhar** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:47 pm

Dear kmaherali,
With ref. to your posting on Jan31, 2015, you wtote," The science and practice of ta'weel, and tafseer has always been there right from the time of compilation of the Quran.
As per our constitution, MHI provides the ta'weel and tafseer." Km you are 100% right. I am happy you are talking of Quran, it means you believe in Quran and HI is the
interptator of Holy Quran.Now with ref. to 1975 Paris conference, HI instructed the participants that Imam is not God, but still we keep dragging him as God in our conversations.
You wrote," During the Fatimid period our Dais such as Nasir Khusraw, Al Muyyad Shirazi and Qadi Noaman provided the authoritative ta'weel. During the Almout period the tafseer was provided by our Pirs and Dais including Tusi and Hassan bin Sabbah." Km, these above mentioned Dais never claimed Imam or Caliph as God in their works.
Qadi Noaman wrote 44 books but he did not claim Imam as God. Read DU'AIMUL ISLAM, he clearly mentions to pray 5 times salat, keep fasting and go on Hajj. Do we Ismaili khojas accept this? Also, read the MUNAJAT OF Hassan bin Sabbah. Let me quote a personal example, I wrote an article for ITREB, Karachi in early 80's. I quote a couplet from Rumi;
PIDAR NOOR WA PISAR NOOR AST MASHOOR
AZ EEN FAHUM KUN NOORUN ALA NOOR
I was summond by the top official of ITREB, and told to delete the couplet.I asked him why. He explained me that after 1975 Paris conference no more noorun ala noor.
Regarding use of intellect, I depend on intellect of Hazar Imam for spritual guidance.

mazhar · Post by **mazhar** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:12 pm

Aghakhani to Ismaili103, regarding Tret; You wrote," As long bro Tret is concerned he is a talented person,-----------------about him he is prejudice. Just wait and see mowla will guide him." Please do not pass judgement on any one, Tret,zznoor, Ismailignosis or any one. Give Tret or any one your best arguments and proof of books with names of authors. If Tret is asking proof from Ginans that Ali is Allah, mention the ginan ( opening lines ), the proper couplet and name of Pir.

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:51 am

mazhar wrote:Aghakhani to Ismaili103, regarding Tret; You wrote," As long bro Tret is concerned he is a talented person,-----------------about him he is prejudice. Just wait and see mowla will guide him." Please do not pass judgement on any one, Tret,zznoor, Ismailignosis or any one. Give Tret or any one your best arguments and proof of books with names of authors. If Tret is asking proof from Ginans that Ali is Allah, mention the ginan ( opening lines ), the proper couplet and name of Pir.

Mazhar YAM:

I had already provided many verse of Ginans on Ali Is Allah as well as Agakhani bro and Karim bhai in past posts. But i think you both are ignoring those verse and rapidly quoted that is there any verse in Ginan about Ali Allah.

If you want to learn from it then you need to accept it frst that words of pirs are rock solid. Without faith in Ginans you cant learn it.

Tret has good knowledge of central asian ismaili tradition but i dont like his one habbit viz whenever i provide him clear firman and Ginan on Ali Allah he just interprated it wrongly i mean its like if any statement didnot macthes my belives, just interprate it till it macthes my belives

When Imam said if you are talking abut God its me. What kind of interpretation you need on this clear statement. It doesnot need any interpretation of esoteric and manifest Imam.

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:58 am

To Mazhar:

You said " these above pirs and dais didnot claim in any of there work that Ali is Allah"

Ok! Did you have all of there work. It take your whole life to read there work. Didnot forgot it that we lost many of our fatmid and almaut period work when mongols destroy the library of Almaut.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:34 pm

ZZNoor wrote some where above that if Imamat was important then it will have quoted in Quran!

The answer is:

Off course imamat is quoted in Quran not only one time, not only two time not only five, ten,twenty but there are whopping 28 ayas on only Imamat! Means imamat concepts is true and it is also quoted in Quran only things you need to open your eyes and understand those ayays.

BTW, lots of Shias believes that there are whopping 300 ayas from Qurans are related to H. Ali while from other three calipshs : only Abu Bakar just mentioned once.
Because they were saying some thing in front of Prophet and doing something else!
History is full about these 3 caliphs who were not even participated in prophet Mohd"s funeral and tried to kill prophet.

mazhar · Post by **mazhar** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:10 pm

You have already given FATWA; those Ismailis who say Aliyullah are all monkeys, If you are an Ismaili, reciting Du'a and kalma pak than what about you because ALIYULLAH is there in Du'a and kalima pak. You wrote," Iam still waiting the answer, how would your God be like." Nuseri, read the first khutba of Mowla Alii in Nahjul Ballagha; in very first paragraph, He mentions," Allah is beyond comprehension". In Du'a we say "wa lamya kulahu kufuwan ahad". Allah says in Quran," lessa bi misli kuli shai". There is no comparison of Allah in universe."
You wrote," all important Farmans start with ' My dear'. Nuseri, when I write a letter to my friend, my salutation is 'My dear friend' My dear is not an argument.
You wrote," I respect that, did MHI mentioned that He has totally annuled Imam SMS's Farman on this matter." Please read minutes of 1975 Paris conference on this site under thread Ismaili laws and documentations. On instructions from MHI, further printing and circulation of kalam i Imam e Mubin of MSMS was stoped. Only selective
version was printed under name GOWHER E RAHMAT in Gujrati.( I have a copy that book).
You wrote," till I have not read any post of an Ismaili objecting the wordings of Du'a and Du'a guzari." Nuseri, wake up, in your city of Karachi thousands of Ismailis have left our Tariqa and have become sunnis in past 20 years, mostly because of wordings of Du'a and Du'a guzari. I have already clearified this subect in my very first posting. Thousands of Ismailis are living dual religious life, their one foot is in the boat of Ismailism and other in the boat of sunnism.

mazhar · Post by **mazhar** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:39 pm

Dear Ismaili103,
In your post dated Feb 1,2015 addressed to Tret," If I provide you tons of ginans veses clearly state Ali is Allah-------", and again on same date you are addressing me," I have already provided many verses of ginans
on Ali Allah to Tret, but I think you both are ignoring those verses."
Dear 103, there is contradiction in your both postings. In one you are saying, IF I PROVIDE YOU ------, AND IN OTHER YOU ARE SAYING, I HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED TONS OF GINAN VERSES. Dear I have joined this site activelly on Dec 30, 2014, so far in 33 days, I have not seen any such quotationsof ginans from your side.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:01 pm

To mAZHAR: yA aLI mADAD.
STILL on with ignorant understanding of our faith.
when it said allah is beyond comprehension.It is stating that he has unlimited infinite power,reach,form. highness etc and not per of his image.
If one observes what is said in Quran it also siad with authority n confidence by our imam time to time such as.
In a speech ,MHI SAID THAT iMAMAT is beyond comprehension.Was he invisible as Imam?
He compared Imamat to that of Allah boldly,Has any person done that.
The features shape n form of Allah for his believers are there in many ayats.
define the word comprehension in context used in quran n also said by MHI.
I HAVE EARLIER ALSO TOLD that your are sadly carrying a low blessed soul in your body.It is reflected is almost all of your postings.
saying of Imam matching with quran ayats.

we are face ,hand etc of Allah.
all beautiful name belong to us.
and many many more can be found in farmans.
it is just not co coincidence but truth.
In a hadith is is said.

"TRUTH IS WHERE ALI IS" ( remeber ayat sadaqallah ul azim)
and not a vice versa.

Your answer to image god is escapist reply with no common sense at all.
1975 papers do hint that Imams are image/reflection/copy of Allah.
Allah word means There is ALI on earth and nothing(lah) up there.
If YOU are able just to bless your self with baatin didar ,noorani may be out of reach as your present status of your soul in this life.

mazhar · Post by **mazhar** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:10 pm

Dear friends,
I am quoting some Farmans of MSMS on Quran. These are from CHAND RAAT bulletin Sep 1st, 1964. Published by Ismailia Association for Pakistan.
Those Arabs who are in our Din, accept our Tariqa through Quran. And by understanding Quran they follow right path ( sirat e mustaqeem ). They are more honest and faithful than you.
Amongst you are many who know Quran reading but they do not understand meaning. Without meaning Quran reading is of no use.
Select such persons amongst you , who know Quran and its meaning, thus I can explain to them the details of our din. I can prove this(explaination ) not only at one but at ten places in Quran.
Al Hamdulillah, there are momins amongst you, but they are looking here and there. Prove them from Quran and they will not go astray.
A quote from Ismaili heritage dated Feb 2nd, 2015. Mowlana Aziz has a private liberarian named Al Shabushti---------------- There were also 2400 illuminated manuscripts of Quran. Today Mowlana Shah Karim also has many hand written and illuminated Quran from Fatmid period in His possession.

Post by **Admin** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:46 am

mazhar wrote:in your city of Karachi thousands of Ismailis have left our Tariqa and have become sunnis in past 20 years, mostly because of wordings of Du'a and Du'a guzari

Good for them. At least they are honest with themselves. They are better then those hypocrites who cling externaly to Ismailism while their heart is already sold to the shariatis.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:19 am

tret wrote: So, you do adhere to the teaching of our Hujjat and Dais of Fatimid era, such as Nasir-Khusraw, Tusi, Sayyina Hassan-e-Sabah. Then, let me quote Nasir-e-Khusraw on this notion of Ali Allah, and I hope you adhere and understand our Hujjat and Dais position. There's no teaching of Imam or Hujjat to say Imam is Allah..

The Pirs, Dais and Hujjats made the ta'wil and tafsir according to the requirements of their time. The ta'wil/Tafsir of the present Imam supercedes the past ta'wils. According to the Farman of MSMS the matter is very clear without any ambiguities:

"There is no one greater than Myself. If you think of God, then it is Myself. If you think of Pir, then too it is Me. If you think about Imam, then too it is Me. And your beloved Master is also Me. There is no one except Myself" ( Wadi Jamaat Khaana March 16, 1902)

And MHI has siad that he is the Mazhar -i-dhat-illahi, which is very clear and precise.

MHI has also said in his Farman:

"We will not look backwards and draw only experience and learning from our history. We will develop new knowledge..."

tret wrote: Please quote Pir Sadardeen where did he imply Ali[Imam] is God?..

How many times do you want to see it? Here is one more time!

ejee aal alee islaamshaah raajaa, allaah ehee imaam
peer bhanne sadardeen kahet kabeerdeen
mere momaneku(n) bahesht makaan..........illaahee...........17

Mawlana Islamshaah who is the progeny of Aly is the King. Allah is indeed the Imaam.
This is taught by Peer Sadardeen and is stated (confirmed) by Peer Hassan Kabeerdeen who says: "My momins will have an abode in paradise" (if they follow the Imaams).

tret wrote: Again, what Nasir-Khusraw says about the Imam doesn't at all imply Imam is Allah, should you correctly understand the Doctrine that Hujjat is explaining.

That is your opinion, but the Farmans I have mentioned are quite clear. So let us not keep arguing about it. We can agree to disagree which is fine.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:23 am

zznoor wrote:
Pir Sadardeen through his tafsir of the Qur'an concluded that the Imam was Allah.
Astaghfirullh

Yes this is an Ismaili interpretation. Yours is not the only interpretation. That is the meaning of pluralism!

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:42 am

mazhar wrote: Km you are 100% right. I am happy you are talking of Quran, it means you believe in Quran and HI is the
interptator of Holy Quran.Now with ref. to 1975 Paris conference, HI instructed the participants that Imam is not God, but still we keep dragging him as God in our conversations.

The Imam also told a group of scholars that he is the mazhar-i-dhat illahi so you can choose to believe whatever you want. About the Qur'an MHI said in the Farman: . "Do not forget that our branch of Islam is an esoteric branch of Islam. Esoteric means that what is written is there, but its meaning is not there to everyone. It is there to those who are part of our Jamat. "
So we have to apply our intellects in understanding the Qur'an. So when he says he is Malikinaas he is also Illahinaas. So I hope that it is now clear that Imam is Allah from the Qur'an Majeed!

mazhar wrote: Km, these above mentioned Dais never claimed Imam or Caliph as God in their works.
Qadi Noaman wrote 44 books but he did not claim Imam as God. Read DU'AIMUL ISLAM, he clearly mentions to pray 5 times salat, keep fasting and go on Hajj. Do we Ismaili khojas accept this? Also, read the MUNAJAT OF Hassan bin Sabbah..

I will repeat what I answered tret:

The Pirs, Dais and Hujjats made the ta'wil and tafsir according to the requirements of their time. The ta'wil/Tafsir of the present Imam supercedes the past ta'wils. According to the Farman of MSMS the matter is very clear without any ambiguities:

"There is no one greater than Myself. If you think of God, then it is Myself. If you think of Pir, then too it is Me. If you think about Imam, then too it is Me. And your beloved Master is also Me. There is no one except Myself" ( Wadi Jamaat Khaana March 16, 1902)

And MHI has siad that he is the Mazhar -i-dhat-illahi, which is very clear and precise.

MHI has also said in his Farman:

"We will not look backwards and draw only experience and learning from our history. We will develop new knowledge..."

mazhar wrote: Let me quote a personal example, I wrote an article for ITREB, Karachi in early 80's. I quote a couplet from Rumi;
PIDAR NOOR WA PISAR NOOR AST MASHOOR
AZ EEN FAHUM KUN NOORUN ALA NOOR
I was summond by the top official of ITREB, and told to delete the couplet.I asked him why. He explained me that after 1975 Paris conference no more noorun ala noor.
Regarding use of intellect, I depend on intellect of Hazar Imam for spritual guidance.

Using the intellect, If MHI is Malikinaas then he is also Illahinaas! What is the meaning of the couplet in English. Please go to the following thread on the discussion on Sura Nur.

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=1778

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:46 am

zznoor wrote:If Imamat was most important part of Islam, it would be clearly stated in Quran. Prophet passed away only some ninety days after Ghadhir. None of those gathered to appoint next Khalif remembered that Prophet had appointed Hz Ali RA.

There is a discussion and articles on this subject at:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=7700

Please go there and if you have any comments, please post it there.

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:15 am

mazhar wrote:Dear Ismaili103,
In your post dated Feb 1,2015 addressed to Tret," If I provide you tons of ginans veses clearly state Ali is Allah-------", and again on same date you are addressing me," I have already provided many verses of ginans
on Ali Allah to Tret, but I think you both are ignoring those verses."
Dear 103, there is contradiction in your both postings. In one you are saying, IF I PROVIDE YOU ------, AND IN OTHER YOU ARE SAYING, I HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED TONS OF GINAN VERSES. Dear I have joined this site activelly on Dec 30, 2014, so far in 33 days, I have not seen any such quotationsof ginans from your side.

In past i had already provided many verses on Ali Allah not Tons of. Go and read my past post on both of threads by you, i had wrote about 3 to 4 verse on Ali Allah from Ginans and also quoted the Firman of Imam Sultan Mohd Shah.

I can provide you tons of verses on Ali Allah but by now i dont want to waste my time on both of you because you dont want to learn any thing from our Great Ginans beacuse of your ignorance.. I know.

You said in your past post that " for us " GINANS are MAHAN"

You know what, a truth remains a truth even if billion peeps declared it false.

GINAN IS INDEED QURAN and thats a fact. Niether equal to quran nor altetnate to quran but GINAN IS ASAL QURAN( ATHETVED )....I am not talking about that BOOK OF USMAN( your so called Quran ) but talking about ASAL QURAN VIZ ( GINANS AND FARAMIN MUBARAK )

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:24 am

Admin wrote:For example, read the 1928 article by Semenov, A. in "Iran" VOLUME: II ; PAGES: pp.1-24

Is this available online anywhere?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:28 am

mazhar wrote: I was summond by the top official of ITREB, and told to delete the couplet.I asked him why. He explained me that after 1975 Paris conference no more noorun ala noor.
Regarding use of intellect, I depend on intellect of Hazar Imam for spritual guidance.

You keep referring to the 1975 Paris conference. One of the resolutions was:

The Imam to be explained as the 'mazhar' of God, and the relationship between God and the Imam to be related to varying levels of inspiration and communication from God to man.

Tell me how can the notion of Nur ala Noor contradict the above statement?

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:16 pm

You keep referring to the 1975 Paris conference.

Because they do not have any thing else to defense!

There are few participant in this forum who can not think besides Paris Conference, Rumi, Attar, Khushru's teaching, they think this things are just enough to understand Ismailism! but they are wrong, their thinking is very narrow, Ismailism is not easy to understand ( KHANDA KERI DHAR), they need to come out from the shadow of Central Asian Dais and Paris conference.

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:35 pm

kmaherali wrote:
mazhar wrote: I was summond by the top official of ITREB, and told to delete the couplet.I asked him why. He explained me that after 1975 Paris conference no more noorun ala noor.
Regarding use of intellect, I depend on intellect of Hazar Imam for spritual guidance.
You keep referring to the 1975 Paris conference. One of the resolutions was:

The Imam to be explained as the 'mazhar' of God, and the relationship between God and the Imam to be related to varying levels of inspiration and communication from God to man.

Tell me how can the notion of Nur ala Noor contradict the above statement?

First, Mazhar of God isn't the same as God Himself.

Second, in the Paris Conference resolution MHI also advised and guided that the concept of God must be understood in accordance to surah Ikhlas, which we recite 3 times a day.

So when you claim that Ali is Allah, is that in accordance with surah Ikhlas, as MHI advised?

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:32 pm

kmaherali wrote: The Pirs, Dais and Hujjats made the ta'wil and tafsir according to the requirements of their time. The ta'wil/Tafsir of the present Imam supercedes the past ta'wils. According to the Farman of MSMS the matter is very clear without any ambiguities:

First of all, the understanding of God doesn't change in accordance to time and space. What God was during the Fatimid era, is the same God as today. So, your assertion of Ta'wil according to time, is not valid in regards to understanding of God. Second, the present Imam ]Shah Karim-al Hussaini] advised and guided at Paris Conference to understand God in accordance to Surah Ikhlas. That should be the most valid. It's strange that you only find reference during the time where the da'wat was in the subcontinent. Please, provide any Farmaan of current MHI to say Imam is Allah..

Please provide a reference when MHI said He is Mazhari Zat-e-Illahi!!!!
Remember, when Imam says we will not look backwards, must have a context. You simply can not take just one sentence out of context to prove something that fits your convention. Provide the who context, and then backup your argument.