Explaination needed of Koran Ayat.

[tret]

ToTRIPLE DISASTER:Ya ali madad.

Maula Ali madad, my spiritual brother.

firstly I do not agree to 90 % of your two post mentioning the shirk n one mention of the word mazhar.
where in dua,tasbih,ginan or farman we say d word 'mazhar'.

They are not btw, my ideas and ideologies; they are our Da'is and Pirs teachings. You are most welcome to discard it, as you do the Farameen-i-Mubarak. I don't think I ever forced you to accept it.

If you paid to for this SHIT, god bless you.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Apparently, something is cooking in your mind.

it is peanut packets to to keep monkey at Bay.
it did attract a monkey to applaud your low level of faith.

Well, everyone has his own views and opinions. you have yours.

if Tariqati becomes Alwaez. we can loose 10% Ismailis in one generation.
they need to eliminated for good.YES.

I am sorry. I am no Alwaez [I don't consider myself qualified enough], and I am in no authority to eliminate anyone. I mean who are we to give fatwa against anyone? Do you really listen to yourself, what you are saying???

Hasan bin sabbah killed his own son,so that he would not grow up and be enemy of Imam then.

Exactly!!! We should learn sacrifice from him! The same Hassan Sabbah revitalized the doctrine of Ta'lim, at the fortress of Alamaut. You should at least try to understand what that is, if you respect Sayiddna Hassan Sabbah.

just write orignal wording of that ayat n simple two line translation.
your copy paste view from conference and other from IIS
YOU SHOVE THE WORD SHIRK IN YOURS AND OTHER TARIQATI FACULTY stiinking HOLES ,YOU KNOW WHERE I MEAN IT.

Thank you for your meaningful contribution. I think I got my answers.

Are you ismaili in the first place or a 12er trying to live off Imam's funding.
Btw ,do you keep french style beard and n wear eye glass frames?

Like I said, something is cooking in your mind. #1 in speculation. Keep it coming. The more you talk, the more you reveal your true color.

ALI KA NAMAK KHAA RAHE HO.

ALI KI IMAANDARI SE WAQALAT KARO

In english please? Sorry not too good with hindi...


Anyways, It was my fault that I engaged in a discussion with you. I promised myself not to engage with you again ever. I don't think the style of your discussion is valuable, or you can add any value to this discussion, at least to me. So, I will refrain from replying to your further posts. You are free to post and say what you wish, but please don't expect me to reply to your posts going forward.

But, one question have always remained unanswered to me. What have I ever said, that I deserve what you are pouring??? Is it because I don't join you in shouting "Ali is Allah"? or is there other things have I said that I offended you? I guess that will remain mystery.

At the end, I wish you well and may Mauwla give you happiness and you find what you are looking for.

[Admin]

To all:

I will start deleting all posts that contain foul language and insult very soon. Please do not be surprised if many posts disappear soon from this Forum.

Hint: if you do want you post to be read and kept for posterity, if you want your post to generate interest and discussion, not disputes, just write your ideas in a polite and respectful manner.

[kmaherali]

To all:

I will start deleting all posts that contain foul language and insult very soon. Please do not be surprised if many posts disappear soon from this Forum.

Hint: if you do want you post to be read and kept for posterity, if you want your post to generate interest and discussion, not disputes, just write your ideas in a polite and respectful manner.

I think you have realized this a bit too late! The threads are littered with insults and derogatory remarks.

Nevertheless it is still possible to salvage something for posterity if you removed the unethical posts that are already there and watch out for the new posts with unethical intent.

[tret]

To all:

I will start deleting all posts that contain foul language and insult very soon. Please do not be surprised if many posts disappear soon from this Forum.

Hint: if you do want you post to be read and kept for posterity, if you want your post to generate interest and discussion, not disputes, just write your ideas in a polite and respectful manner.

I think this fine video about Islam and Ismaili history and our beloved MHI can be retained for posterity.

h t t p s :// w w w .youtube.com/watch?v=ZI3jXKukedc

[Admin]

Nevertheless it is still possible to salvage something for posterity if you removed the unethical posts that are already there and watch out for the new posts with unethical intent.

We are going to work on it during the year end holiday and continue into next year, it will be a cleanup of the thousands of postings, long process. We want to do this before transferring the database from PHPBB (present version) to the much advanced Drupal 7 version. And of course we want to transfer only posts that make sense when read in hundred years, no petit disputes.

[tret]

And of course we want to transfer only posts that make sense.

Don't you think this would be subjective and biased? Something that makes sense to one person, may not to others. [Unless you are specifically talking about foul languages, then it's common sense to all ]

[agakhani]

How about this? Admin, just delete all posts and lets start all over in a new "Drupal 7 version"!! because there are many posts as a Admin; you have been answered rudely and Impolitely!!??! . this is just my 2 cents advise to you, believe or not, it's totally up to you but I am just favoring you.

[Admin]

We are not going to throw the baby with the bath water.

Lets all come back to the thread.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:

By now Admin Knows what exact percentage of posts are to removed.
I wishTHAT he see other Ismaili website their content,quality of the content,
dignity and decorum in successfully maintaining highest esteem of MHI/ALI. [/i]

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:
Before we try to understand the Ayat 48:10.I wish to tell something to make thing easier for.I assume most reading the post are educated persons.
Firstly Ayats are not jokes and neither Quran is joke book. God is not fooling the humanity by making any abstract statements.It is 100% truth
as per each inspiring levels.
I would consider Quran as a blessed Puzzle set by Ali+lah=Allah.A search.
Now coming to puzzle.I am putting again the case of glass filled with half water.
1.An ignorant if asked what it sees?,he will say water.
2. To a common sense ,He will say it is glass half filled with water.(Quran tafseer has sadly been done at this level.)
3 Person with rational sense n basic education.He will observe n say it is glass filled with half water n half air.
4.A scientist will take the glass to the lad give 40 not less different valid
observations.like.glass weight,wherter made by soda lime or boro silica,transparency percentage n many point of water as H2O,it true properties,density.volume ,bacterial content etc,for it true content of nitrogen,oxygen n other gasses,ambient quality of air etc.
he tell the truth of all the content n the container.
5. To a sufi who acknowledge all of above ,he will the vital utility of water n air in relation to God/divinity.He observes it as blessing of God with air n water human,plants n animal live n survive.It see at it Life line from God.
He observes the absolute truth with essence of the same.

A simple puzzle with all being right with % of ignorance therein.
the 2 point is tafseer,3 is qualitative tafseer, the 4 n 5 th is tawil of the puzzle.
In the same way many many Ayats are 10 time to 100 time more tougher than the glass puzzle. Even rasikfulilm can do a part of it.Only ALI/MHI
can tell what exactly he said in Quran and what he meant.

I just saw two translation of 48:10 and anomaly out there already,one naming Mohammed
n other not naming it,while the ayat does not take prophet's name at all.
I personally do not acknowledge or accept their tafseer even an educated one will dump them as he can do better at rational sense.
Why this ayat 48:10 a part of it is in our Dua,because it shows truth of ALI.
Imam Jaffer Sadiq said the Allah is worshiped because of them.1001% right.because ALI choose the name of Allah in Quran.
As as simple as that.

So accepting the Ayats on simple face value is DISASTER for a reader.
90% of the Ummah is in marooned zone, just with ritual n symbols
and no deeper search of truth.
If ALI+lah=Allah has truth in it creation with knowledge(science) ie,
water ,the truth is that it is H2O.
If CREATION has baatin why not the name chosen among many names of God have baatin in it .
Coming to the puzzle of water.
the first three answers can be taken as Zahir.
the 4 th one of truth can be taken as Baatin
n 5th absolute truth with essence can be taken as Noorani.

In which Ayat Ali+lah=Allah SAYS 'He is formless'.
I need the Ayat number n surah number.
If all are prepared with different levels of truth as seen.We will take up many Ayats one by One.

I personally read many tough papers as a breeze but when it cone to Quran
I feel scared like a unlearned as it indeed it is very very tough to understand it deeply

[nuseri]

Ya ali Madad.
for a believer.first n foremost thing is be believer of his words to the highest level of inspiration.
if one has disbelief is ayat no x n y n z.then he/she can assumed as total dis belif of Quran n word of Allah by default ceases to muslim in the first place.
As said quran is a search/puzzle.
firstly a definition of hand means a part of a human body.
it is up to one to belieive or disbelieve this Ayat.
If hand is mention in one Ayat, then Ali+lah=Allah HAS HAS to validate what he says in 48:10 in other Ayat.
in other Ayats he mentions his face,eyes,sitting on throne, listens(ears),
walked the earth with a prophet of the past(not like space alien or animal but as Human).
No where in Quran HE mentions that he is formless or handicapped has 10 heads or wings any abnormal features because he tells the truth.
Assuming HIM other than what he has said about him is pure
IGNORANCE N SPECULATION.
QURAN came as saying out of a human being( prophet), a human understanding language for humanity.So may be a common sense fool may not but a rational sense believer will add up of all Ayat and come to logical conclusion whether God was describing Himself in parts as human being,
animal or outer space alien.
A proper definition and logic with firm belief that words are true n not fooling ( maybe testing/puzzling the readers) us.
preparations with logic of science is important in today's time.

To scholars: In one Ayat Ali+lah=Allah says he walked the earth with
some prophet.
why question was there any prophets status person who walked alongside of Krishna.
HE WAS THE ONE WHO SPOKE AS GOD AS FIRST PERSON (I am xxx,etc).

[nuseri]

As you observe the the wordings of Quran are intelligence par excellence,
which is directly sourced to God. An entity with dictating ability out persons or prophet
You do have translation of many Ayats where he describes himself.
If you were imagine him or make Image of Him to see after death or dreams or definitely on Judgment day.
What should HE look/be like?.

Please answer in one line only.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali madad.
I am awaiting answers as i need to proceed from it.
Answers needed from copy paster's with good education,sharp reading n clear vision.
How would you like to see your GOD as?[/quote]

[zznoor]

Ya Ali madad.
I am awaiting answers as i need to proceed from it.
Answers needed from copy paster's with good education,sharp reading n clear vision.
How would you like to see your GOD as?

Surah 59:22-24


Bismillaah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem
Hu wallahu ladhila illaha illa hu
alim al ghaib wa shahadati
Hu ar rahman ar rahim
Huwallahu ladhila illaha illa hu
al malik ul quddus as salaam
ul mutmin ul muhaiymin al aziz
ul jabbar ut mutakabbir
Subhanallah hi amma yusrikun
Hu wallahu al khaliq ul bari ul mussawir
La hul asma ul husna
yusabuhu lahuma fi semaawaati wal ard
wa huwal aziz al hakim

Saddaqallah hul Azim

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god;
Who knows both what is hidden and what can be witnessed;
He is the Most Compassionate and Merciful.
Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god;
the Sovereign, the One, the Source of Peace,
the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Security,
the Exalted, the Compelling, the Supreme.
Glory be to God, beyond any associations.
He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Form.
To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names:
Whatever exists in heaven and earth declares His Praise and Glory.
And He is Exalted in Power, the Wise.


Allah, The Most High, speaks the truth.

If one recites only a portion of a surah, it is necessary to say at the end of the selection:
Saddaqallah hul Azim (Allah, the Most High, Speaks the truth.)

Translated by Kabir Helminski

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
admin why did you delete my post.I am seeking answers n not copy paste with no concluding answer.
a general knowledge question to ALL:
If ali+lah=allah speaks truth in all ayats than .he is describing himslef
as sitting on throne,walking with prophets, hand eyes ,face.etc are true as well.How can they become false?.

A person giving out million of pennies cannot be penniless.
a teacher giving out intelligence n sense cannot be illiterate and of unsound mind or mindless.
Can an entity giving most intelligent form to human,universe n creations to perfection a FORM be FORMLESS HIMSELF?

FORM IS A QUESTION? ,he has unlimited power n reach.
It is said america has long reach,does it have to be formless?

If Allah speaks the truth, then where he has stated he is formless.
where, where where.
they say sun light is formless,but science say,sunrays/sunlight form a definitive pattern from it source the sun (aql e kul,nafs e kul).
the sun is not formless.Is it?

read why people are becoming non religious.
they tell we are obliged to pray but not allowed to ask the question
who is god?,what form he exists?,we spend time as prayer places
when he is everywhere,why? where is account of monies given as prayer place?
and 10 other question with all having fair or sound reason.
They would love to connect with an living Intellectual entity if such entity
is impressed upon them.
Visibility is most important to connect to GOD, not RITUAL N SYMBOLS

I have two put two question.I do not know the answers.please help me out from your own mind n not copy paste.

[nuseri]

To zznoor.Ya Ali Madad.
i have seeing the trio posting volume of pages elsewhere.I ahev a line r question.A confident person should take more than few seconds to answer as the question was in simple english.
I do appreciate that you avoided the question but nevertheless posted a good surah 59:22-24.
I value n acknowledge it.
I have just schrated the surface of that surah,by asking a question on FORM
from just 5 words of the Ayat,As I am trying to dig deep into it,it will take time.It can few days to understand even one line to know absolute truth of it.
I may questions,I sincerely wish that you answer from.
I will hint n prove you ALI ALI all the way on surahs you put up.but one condition that you must be able to defend or explain it if I ask you questions from it.
It is said WELL BEGUN IS HALF DONE.

A analogy .
A gifted film actor is said to have played roles in movies in many form,shape n character to excellence.
Now who would one say about him if a person/most high person is there.
it would He is a great actor who excels in all characters.
OR
HE IS A CHARACTERLESS PERSON.

It would definitely disgust the high or the most high person.

Do all sharaiti's consider Allah as formless from Quran.

It is akin to insult out of ignorance and in your word you mention at the throw at drop of a hat 'SHIRK'.

Firstly a proper definition is needed with rationale,logic n belief (as per levels). no speculation or fantasizing it.
If Ali+Lah=Allah can form shape n features to his creation than he is not formless but AN ENTITY OF HIGHER FORM WHO CAN TAKE INFINITE FORM N SHAPE HE WISHES.
This a rationale respectful way of defining where form/shape n features of
where our Ali+lah=aLLAH is concerned.
With this just of of quack or moulana who cannot even read what God says He/source/entity is formless.
one important misunderstanding and blunders will negate 80% of other Ayats where Allah speaks his mind out n describes himself.

When anything/something if formless. why would an educated mind should follow,believe or bow to him with rituals n symbols of medieval age.Young would rather like to connect with unknown on facebook n not waste their time in ritual n symbols.
A recent study show that more than 17% young Sikh boys/male would live religion totally because on medieval symbol of wearing turban n un kept beard.
one of the reasons that they are not getting girl friends n see total futility in it to connect to God.

A revolt from sharaiti's in near future is seen as writing on the wall.

This Ayat also says the the word 'evovle'.needed to study it.

ANSWERS BADLY NEEDED.

[nuseri]

To zznoor: Ya Ali Madad.

(Ms shirk/astagafurallah)

what is proper definition of allah?

Please let me know if you agree to my definition contrary to 'He being formless'.
Please be informed that all tafseer including 'surah ikhlas' done at zahiri level and not even applying rational logic leads to shallow understanding of faith n blockage of mind to medieval age rituals n symbols.
Faith n intellect is side lined. His reach n power is out of comprehensions A saying even says 'that whole universe cannot contain him but a heart of believer can.'
So If the soul (spark of God/noor can' form' itself to be contained/reside in human hearts.).If God is the source than WHO IS HE?
SABKA BAAP KAUN?
Please give your reply on form ,as you have posted the Ayats.

HE also says all beautiful names belong to him.In that way he is accepting names(over 200 of them) other than brand name Allah also.like Krishna,Buddha,holy father,wahe guru,etc.for worshiping HIM.

( the word shirk is in the mind of a ignorance n not blessed intellectuals).

the only name matching with definition of most high is ALI,which is also one of the his collateral names.

That word Ali is from Allah or Allah word came into being from ALI making it as base for totally new brand name via the last prophet.

THIS ANSWER COMES OUT OF IBADAT FROM HIM N HIM ONLY.

FOR HAQIQATIS ALSO FROM ALI'S FARMANS.

[tret]

Dear nuseri,

I have explained -- my understanding of -- surah ikhlas. I think it's very important for us to know the [inner] meaning of our Du'a, and sura ikhlas is part of our Du'a.

Basically, it is about the doctrine of Tawh'id or Oneness of God. When it says begotten or begot, it not only means in the physical sense, such as being born, but also, it means creating or creation. for example, it could mean that God is not born from anyone or no one is born from God, in physical sense. However, in metaphysical sense, it could mean that God is not cause of anything, and nothing caused God. This takes us back to the doctrine of creation. The entire universe is created by Universal Soul, by Ta'yid of Universal Intellect. Universal Intellect is the cause of all causes and effects. That's why MHI address the murids as "Spiritual Children", as MHI is our Spiritual Father [and Spiritual Mother], because HE is ShahPir today. This can't not be said about the Supreme God/The Transcendent and surah Ikhlas says exactly that.

Again, this is my understanding and you may or may not agree with that and that's fine with me. Because understanding of these matters of faith is very much personal, and that's why MHI encourages us the concept of free self inquiry, and that's exactly what we should do.

[nuseri]

TO TRET:yA ALI mADAD.
I did not reply early as early heavy ayats needed to be understood.

sure Iklas was for christian n hindus having belief biological co realtions to god n goddess (family tree) and to end that belief once for all.

wE HAVE MHI claiming n hinting hi status.
Does he have any partner or parallel claimant .you wont fine one either on earth of heavens (up there).
Are there two Imams? ,No never.
There are facets/bandwidth of noor disbursed from HIM to to entities like prophets,sufis etc.

HE IS ONE N ONLY NOW ON EARTH.
so Ali+lah=Allah even now in reality has no partners nor his noorani entity
has claimant of giving him noor or noor spited up from him in equal terms.
You mentioned that Mazhar is/can be also 'locust of manifestion', No objections here.

can you rewrite in simple English is few words what that means.
Does is mean 'God itself' ?.
your conviction answer n not a confused one needed?

When he is not afraid why should we?

Shirk word exist in mind of ignorance n cunning one's and may be not
to faithful ones.
Nobody is scared of suraah nisa or any other word.

all those having large pictures of x masjid, blackstone, mausoleums may be quasi shirk themselves.( do these things listen n reply)

[nuseri]

Ya Ali madad;
by posting of three prime ayats,znoor has put me on work(majoori).

Farman of Imam affer Sadiq on ism e azam:
The ayat that 'All Beautiful names belong to Allah""Imâm Jafar as-Sâdiq has

said "Allah has concealed one name, i.e., the supreme Name and He has 360 names." (Lughât, Sîn, p. 175). The supreme Name or the great secret is in two forms: as a word and as a person. As a word, it is "al-hayyu'l-qayyûm" (the Everliving, the Everlasting) (2:255; 3:2) and as a person it is the True Guide, i.e., the Prophet and the Imam of the time (see Wajh, p. 124-129)" [Source: Tawil 64: A Thousand Wisdoms] .

1.as Allah speaks the truth that mean his name was not Allah when world started and admitted all beautiful name (360 of them) belong to.
So when allah was not around in person ,he concealed his true name even thru all prophets. so Mohammed was no exception in that regard.

2,Allah say he speaks in parable that concludes one has to to deep search to know ayats n thru ayat know Him ALSO that does not excluded his name in the very first place.( an quiz isa integral part of any quiz master)

3.Rationality observes if any person or being (even entity) conceal him or herself as seen at evidence ( in court of law) fisrt thing is that they use a alias or different name.

4.base on this ayats,there may be coralted Ayat also,( needed to be searched)
It raises a valid question:
It Allah an entity BY itself or a name as others used by HIM by entity who took that name with last prophet.
If not than he was fooling all born earlier on earth with false names.
as he was the only ONE then also.
WHAT NAME Allah HAS Concealed in a name as person as explained by imam Jaffer sadiq,endorsed in diifferent wording many many other Imam.
In another sermon Imam jaffer sadiq also says that the word allah n other names of Gods belong to them(Imams).
It is natural when prohets are used as puppets( no hard feelings) in a way
there is question on every,every Ayat including his name of what he siad in Quran.
In natural law truth is spoken by first person and not third person swearing for truth of other person( not also valid in court of law in normal circumstances to be admissible).
I have my firm irrevocable belief out of Ayats first n confirmed by Farmans.
I did not needed any other influence to break that word since my childhood.
I wish members to to put their point of View in few lines.
It took me three week for those 6 word of that Ayat.
I must thank zznoor to give me wake up call.

I will end with a verse from a Ginan:

AHMED WO JO MARD HAI JO CHARD KAR MARE MAIDAN REE.

AHMED ALI ALI BOLIYA ,PECHE HONI HOI SO HOI REE.