Ya Ali Madad.
Our Ismaili cosmology centers around the figure seven (7).
such as seven heavens ,seven level of intellect,days seven stars in big dipper.
MHI SHAH KARIM AL HUSIENY( recite salvat) as 49th Imam,as part of his prophecy
come true of Dai Nasir Khusraw who said after period of 1000 year an Imam 7x7=49
will single handedly built glory (like in Fatimid era) and even saw Zahurat coming from HIM.
In last 57 years of jamat,we Ismailis are like shining beacons on Earth where ever we reside.
In past era of fatimid the institutions and structures built by Imam Nizar,Moizz,Aziz.
MHI has done that is one phase.
35 year when Ismaili museum was opened there was protest from one influential wahabi country,who also opened a mosque n musuem in UK then.
Today the same MHI open Museum on Islam(not Ismaili).
now no muslim country is in protest to this leadership as iconic institute for the Ummah.
I wish all members to participate positively as our Salegrih gift to Imam from Forum member.
I have something interesting of Baatin to tell on Ahle Bayt.
KYA TARIQAT SHAAN HAI TERI
KUBH HAQIQI JALWA HAI TERA
KYA NOORANI TEVAR TERE HAI
SHAAN E KHUDA TU HI ALI HAI
49th IMAM one of the greatest
Re: 49th IMAM one of the greatest
This is beautiful! I want to see more discussions of this type.nuseri wrote:Ya Ali Madad.
Our Ismaili cosmology centers around the figure seven (7).
such as seven heavens ,seven level of intellect,days seven stars in big dipper.
MHI SHAH KARIM AL HUSIENY( recite salvat) as 49th Imam,as part of his prophecy
come true of Dai Nasir Khusraw who said after period of 1000 year an Imam 7x7=49
will single handedly built glory (like in Fatimid era) and even saw Zahurat coming from HIM.
In last 57 years of jamat,we Ismailis are like shining beacons on Earth where ever we reside.
In past era of fatimid the institutions and structures built by Imam Nizar,Moizz,Aziz.
MHI has done that is one phase.
35 year when Ismaili museum was opened there was protest from one influential wahabi country,who also opened a mosque n musuem in UK then.
Today the same MHI open Museum on Islam(not Ismaili).
now no muslim country is in protest to this leadership as iconic institute for the Ummah.
I wish all members to participate positively as our Salegrih gift to Imam from Forum member.
I have something interesting of Baatin to tell on Ahle Bayt.
KYA TARIQAT SHAAN HAI TERI
KUBH HAQIQI JALWA HAI TERA
KYA NOORANI TEVAR TERE HAI
SHAAN E KHUDA TU HI ALI HAI
Indeed, according to Ismaili numerology and cosmology, the number 7 plays an important role.
Our current beloved MHI, the 49th Imam, marks the beginning of cycle of Resurrection, where the veil of shair'at is gradually removed, not only from Jama'at but from the entire humanity in general. Today, the services of MHI to humanity extends very well beyond Jama'at and to whole humanity.
I vaguely remember hearing a long time ago an interview of Hazar Imam where the interviewer asked the Imam why the number 7 was important in Ismailism and he said because I am the 49th Imam. That was on radio Luxembourg in the 1970s'
So Imam has linked 7 and 49 in this Joma.
Also I was told in 1992 Mowla went to eat at the Council President's house and he asked a girl what age she was, she said 7 years old and Imam joked by saying "7 is also my lucky number". I am sure there are many such anecdotes that we should document with proper date, time and people's name for preserving part of our heritage.
So Imam has linked 7 and 49 in this Joma.
Also I was told in 1992 Mowla went to eat at the Council President's house and he asked a girl what age she was, she said 7 years old and Imam joked by saying "7 is also my lucky number". I am sure there are many such anecdotes that we should document with proper date, time and people's name for preserving part of our heritage.
Ya Ali Madad.
Posting from two members really appreciated as it befits the title.
Now coming to face profile of MHI.
It is said Imam Moizz was handsome.(One can take a peek at the photo of Prince Rahim today in beard).
MHI IS THE MOST HANDSOME IMAM among all Imams till date.
Does anybody come across any other face Radiant n Smiling all the time.
I would request members to post any extracts from Ginans or Qasidas
relating to face of ALI/Imam/God.
Your contribution needed for birthday gift to MHI.
Please do not be stingy.
Posting from two members really appreciated as it befits the title.
Now coming to face profile of MHI.
It is said Imam Moizz was handsome.(One can take a peek at the photo of Prince Rahim today in beard).
MHI IS THE MOST HANDSOME IMAM among all Imams till date.
Does anybody come across any other face Radiant n Smiling all the time.
I would request members to post any extracts from Ginans or Qasidas
relating to face of ALI/Imam/God.
Your contribution needed for birthday gift to MHI.
Please do not be stingy.
Verses from Ginan: Jirevala Paat Mandaavine:nuseri wrote: I would request members to post any extracts from Ginans or Qasidas
relating to face of ALI/Imam/God.
Your contribution needed for birthday gift to MHI.
Please do not be stingy.
jeere vaalaa dees tannaa re rudderaa deese,
ane bol tannaa mukh meetthaa re vaalaa;
paveetr thayaa ghar aa(n)gann maaraa,
jaare sat-gur nayanne su(n) deetthaa re vaalaa...aaj mee(n)dar....2
O dear one, His appearance is very lovely, and the words of His mouth are sweet. My house and courtyard were sanctified when I beheld the True Guide with my eyes, dear brother.
jeere vaalaa koee kahe chhe molaa ne koee kahe chhe chokhaa,
koee kahe chhe olaa kehevaa re vaalaa;
jot jagaaddeene jumalo jee bayattho,
hu(n) jaau(n) balahaaree tenee re vaalaa...aaj mee(n)dar..........3
O dear one, some call Him Lord, some call Him Pure, some say He is to be called the Refuge. With spiritual awareness kindled, the whole congregation sits. May I be sacrificed to Him, dear brother.
Verses from the Ginan: Ginan bolore nit nure bhariya:
ejee aagaa ne ttope heeraa jag mage
jaanniye te ubho gokul mahelo kaanji.........................3
O momins: The crown of the Lord is studded with diamonds
(has a glorious appearance). He looks like Lord Krishnaa of Gokul (in majesty).
ejee nur ne teje alee aagero
sami ne teje te saamu naa jovaaye ji.........................4
O momins: Divine Light shines in front of the face of Ali. The light of the Lord is so intense that it cannot be seen directly
(like the sun).
Verse from the Ginan: Shamku aavanta jo kahe:
ejee swaamee ke gale me(n) haar hay - heeraa maannek jaddeeyaa
jeesare bhaave taaku(n) det hay - saaheb hay deel dariyaa....2
Around the Master's neck there is a necklace, set with diamonds and jewels. He gives to whom he pleases, for the Lord is infinitely generous.
Verse from the Ginan: Satgur Saathe Gothadhee Kije:
jeere vaalaa janamo janam nee dohaagann hotee
te sohaagann keedhee chhe saamee - re vaalaa
lakh choraasee naa ba(n)dh chhoddaavyaa
evaa malee-aa chhe a(n)tar jaamee - re vaalaa........2
O loved ones, for many births I have been in an unmarried state,
and the Lord has now married me (by coming to visit me, or by entering my heart).
He has freed me from the cycles of eighty four lakh births and rebirths. Such is the knower of my heart (interior), whom I have attained.
Just a small anecdote: 30 years ago, one of my friend who was working in Montreal in a marketing company had a photo (black and white) of Hazar Imam on her desk.
A colleague passing by, did the following remark: "Il est beau comme un Dieu" which is a French expression that means "He is handsome like a God"
A colleague passing by, did the following remark: "Il est beau comme un Dieu" which is a French expression that means "He is handsome like a God"
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In relation to the Imams, the 49 and the Cycle of Qiyamah, these articles are very useful:
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-1/
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-2/
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-1/
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-2/
jeere vaalaa janamo janam nee dohaagann hotee
te sohaagann keedhee chhe saamee - re vaalaa
lakh choraasee naa ba(n)dh chhoddaavyaa
evaa malee-aa chhe a(n)tar jaamee - re vaalaa........2
Me sadke jawa, wah pirs wah!!
Pirs has told many things in as little as four verses above!! it is a golden treasure for the persons who understand the ginans.
Thanks karim putting this ginan here with translation.Samajne walo ke liye ishara kafi hai, which is a solid proof above.
Ya Ali Madad.
An extract from a poem by me.
NOOR MOULANA KARIM NOOR MOULANA KARIM
DUNIYA KE AALA DESHO NE TERI SANMANI KI HAI
KYA SHANDAAR AHLE BAYT HAI NOOR MOULANA KARIM
Translation:
Leading countries of the world have honored and felicitated you.
What a great is the Ahle Bayt ( your family) is.
I wish all members to post extract of speeches or words of dignitaries
praising or honoring MHI.
As I do not hold much academic data.
I have interesting words to tell( hear,say one).
During the silver jubilee period.
MHI visited Gujarat,India.
In one of event of network there.
A high ranking minister told our leader.
' TAMARA AGAKHAN SAHEB KHARE KHAER BHAGWAN NA ROOP MA
INSHAN CHE.'
Translation.
Your MHI is truly a God appearing as a human being.
I wish one member to put in his tribute in this tread and defer from passing comment of message of A to B,etc.
It may derail this thread.
An extract from a poem by me.
NOOR MOULANA KARIM NOOR MOULANA KARIM
DUNIYA KE AALA DESHO NE TERI SANMANI KI HAI
KYA SHANDAAR AHLE BAYT HAI NOOR MOULANA KARIM
Translation:
Leading countries of the world have honored and felicitated you.
What a great is the Ahle Bayt ( your family) is.
I wish all members to post extract of speeches or words of dignitaries
praising or honoring MHI.
As I do not hold much academic data.
I have interesting words to tell( hear,say one).
During the silver jubilee period.
MHI visited Gujarat,India.
In one of event of network there.
A high ranking minister told our leader.
' TAMARA AGAKHAN SAHEB KHARE KHAER BHAGWAN NA ROOP MA
INSHAN CHE.'
Translation.
Your MHI is truly a God appearing as a human being.
I wish one member to put in his tribute in this tread and defer from passing comment of message of A to B,etc.
It may derail this thread.
Good to know!! but in Gujarat where I born,raised and graduated; there is a common tradition to tell any one God, even they call an ordinary manDuring the silver jubilee period.
MHI visited Gujarat,India.
In one of event of network there.
A high ranking minister told our leader.
' TAMARA AGAKHAN SAHEB KHARE KHAER BHAGWAN NA ROOP MA
INSHAN CHE.'
Translation.
Your MHI is truly a God appearing as a human being.
as a "MANKHA DEV" tame to amara bhagwan chho? e.t.c.
This is just for your knowledge no intention to disrespect your comments, by the way Ali is the ....h! Is not your slogan? I am with you as long as Ali is the Allah.
To Agakhani: (PhD in Gujarati) Ya Ali Madad.
I wished you had put some contribution in this tread to MHI/ALI.
nevertheless you made two unsolicited comments to others posting.
I just took care of one' PhD is Hollow Harassment' in an other thread.
My pointS of view are
1. It is not a common man,It is a high ranking minister who are surrounded by
leaders n official n media,as it was an event.
Any word said by them become news.
No doubt it a tradition to any person as god.
it is for people n elderly whom they know n people of higher caste.
it is not for strangers, people of lower caste n opposing religion.
It is GENERALIZED STATEMENT.
here the word used are 'Khare Khaar'.
which can mean;
very truly .absolutely truly,very much.absolutely sure.etc.
This become a DEFINITIVE STATEMENT.
It affirms the conviction n belief of the person saying it.
What is one a general statement of an ordinary person in traditions
n what is posted is definitive statement by a person of Authority n following n under media glaze.
I wish ALI blesses you with better understanding of Gujarati Language
I wished you had put some contribution in this tread to MHI/ALI.
nevertheless you made two unsolicited comments to others posting.
I just took care of one' PhD is Hollow Harassment' in an other thread.
My pointS of view are
1. It is not a common man,It is a high ranking minister who are surrounded by
leaders n official n media,as it was an event.
Any word said by them become news.
No doubt it a tradition to any person as god.
it is for people n elderly whom they know n people of higher caste.
it is not for strangers, people of lower caste n opposing religion.
It is GENERALIZED STATEMENT.
here the word used are 'Khare Khaar'.
which can mean;
very truly .absolutely truly,very much.absolutely sure.etc.
This become a DEFINITIVE STATEMENT.
It affirms the conviction n belief of the person saying it.
What is one a general statement of an ordinary person in traditions
n what is posted is definitive statement by a person of Authority n following n under media glaze.
I wish ALI blesses you with better understanding of Gujarati Language
Ya Ali Madad.:
Since 3 days there has no post from any members for extract from speeches in event attended by MHI.
This indeed raises a concern n opportunity for Imamat communications
department , IIS,websites n scholars.
MHI may have attended in last 56 years of Imamat ,In those many YEARS if we just take 2.5 events per year average it come to 140 events.
In all those event,some dignitary or national leaders have spoken to toast
,honor,felicitate or praise Imam for his WORDS, work,etc.
If the speeches are recorded and stored by some organization,etc.
if one can extracts the best ones around 40-50 are searched and kept for future use.
It would help leaders to show case to show for example a leader of a orthodox muslim country on what world leaders have said about MHI in the past.
This peer pressure can change the mindset of that leader to form an indifferent opinion of MHI.
It would be very much needed if a biography is written on our Greatest Imam in future if any.
My sincere apologies to our haqiqati brother Agakhani.
I wished this post what I have written today had come out from haqiqati momeen on filling the IMPORTANT information gap rather than making no value remarks or comment.
BTW.one Jamati member with very hi passion for ginans today gave 7-8 ginans extract in gujarati language,As I cannot read gujarati properly I have given to one scholar for transliteration n translation.
Since 3 days there has no post from any members for extract from speeches in event attended by MHI.
This indeed raises a concern n opportunity for Imamat communications
department , IIS,websites n scholars.
MHI may have attended in last 56 years of Imamat ,In those many YEARS if we just take 2.5 events per year average it come to 140 events.
In all those event,some dignitary or national leaders have spoken to toast
,honor,felicitate or praise Imam for his WORDS, work,etc.
If the speeches are recorded and stored by some organization,etc.
if one can extracts the best ones around 40-50 are searched and kept for future use.
It would help leaders to show case to show for example a leader of a orthodox muslim country on what world leaders have said about MHI in the past.
This peer pressure can change the mindset of that leader to form an indifferent opinion of MHI.
It would be very much needed if a biography is written on our Greatest Imam in future if any.
My sincere apologies to our haqiqati brother Agakhani.
I wished this post what I have written today had come out from haqiqati momeen on filling the IMPORTANT information gap rather than making no value remarks or comment.
BTW.one Jamati member with very hi passion for ginans today gave 7-8 ginans extract in gujarati language,As I cannot read gujarati properly I have given to one scholar for transliteration n translation.
I agree this work has to be done. For example words spoken by the president of World bank or other presidents about Hazar Imam, words spoken when he has been given various distinctions, awards, honorary doctorates etc... I guess we will be adding those very soon to the site if you could add in the suggestions on the following link:nuseri wrote: If the speeches are recorded and stored by some organization,etc.
if one can extracts the best ones around 40-50 are searched and kept for future use.
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=8632
Ya Ali Madad.
Thanks Admin to know about suggestions you are inviting.You will need a private email,If I put it on open posting,you may delete it.
For this posting we look back to Farman and also an extract of memoirs of Imam SMS/memoirs as Agakhan.
In a Farman Imam said that we must try to recognize n know the soul of person whom we see. and in his memoirs He said that prophet Mohammed
achieved status of 'Companionship of the High' which we Ismaili know as a part of Ahle Bayt.
Now is the High,It is none other than ALI/MHI.
Who is his companion in the family??????
If one want to know n study stars out of say 4 billion in the sky.It is but natural to start with pole star n big dipper.
It is my conviction n vision blessed by ALI,I see the similar Ahle Bayt
of H.Ali's time.
Prophet use call H.Ali as his brother.
What I see today n firmly believe(my belief is my belief )
H.ALI => SHAH KARIM AL HUSIANY.
Prophet Mohammed => AMYN MOHAMMED
FAITMA U ZAHARA => PRINCESS ZAHARA
(Radiant n Beautiful)
Hussien & Hasan => PRINCE RAHIM & HUSSEIN.
Panjtan Paak is there to see a little ,faith n push is needed to recognize them.
Thanks Admin to know about suggestions you are inviting.You will need a private email,If I put it on open posting,you may delete it.
For this posting we look back to Farman and also an extract of memoirs of Imam SMS/memoirs as Agakhan.
In a Farman Imam said that we must try to recognize n know the soul of person whom we see. and in his memoirs He said that prophet Mohammed
achieved status of 'Companionship of the High' which we Ismaili know as a part of Ahle Bayt.
Now is the High,It is none other than ALI/MHI.
Who is his companion in the family??????
If one want to know n study stars out of say 4 billion in the sky.It is but natural to start with pole star n big dipper.
It is my conviction n vision blessed by ALI,I see the similar Ahle Bayt
of H.Ali's time.
Prophet use call H.Ali as his brother.
What I see today n firmly believe(my belief is my belief )
H.ALI => SHAH KARIM AL HUSIANY.
Prophet Mohammed => AMYN MOHAMMED
FAITMA U ZAHARA => PRINCESS ZAHARA
(Radiant n Beautiful)
Hussien & Hasan => PRINCE RAHIM & HUSSEIN.
Panjtan Paak is there to see a little ,faith n push is needed to recognize them.
At present MHI is both the Imam and the Pir (H. Ali and P. Muhammad). What about Prince Aly Muhammad?nuseri wrote: H.ALI => SHAH KARIM AL HUSIANY.
Prophet Mohammed => AMYN MOHAMMED
FAITMA U ZAHARA => PRINCESS ZAHARA
(Radiant n Beautiful)
Hussien & Hasan => PRINCE RAHIM & HUSSEIN.
Panjtan Paak is there to see a little ,faith n push is needed to recognize them.
Ya Ali Madad:
Nice observation.
I have mentioned the word panjtan pak (Core 5).
the whole of Ahle Bayt is macthes with 7 stars in Big dipper of 7.
so when full view of Ahle Bayt is taken we also Have Prince Alimohammed
and presently a stout Ismaili leader close to Imam n Ahle bayt in likes of
Salman Faras.
Pir n Imam is your assumption.the status of prophet as said by Imam SMS attainted 'Companionship of the High.
It does not mean a parallel soul along with Imam n titile of pir.
In your posting you just mentioned no Hierarchy in Imamat .
It does not mean if Imam hold title of both Imam n Pir, the soul/noor is not present in Ahle bayt.
Imam SMS had concern for is son Prince Aly Khan ,who was very very much anticipating Imam's role.
Imam SMS made a very strong watertight Will in favour of MHI stating
both the positions.
1. As not have ant parallel role/title for prince Aly Khan.(like Pir)
2.Khojas mainly were introduce the Imam as 'Pir Ma Baap' by pirs n alwaez then.
It was precise clarity done by Imam SMS prevailing of reality of that time.
In ahle Bayt all noor are present but roles may interchange with every Imamat phase.
A closer look with reality is needed n not just discourse of a late Alwaez.
Nice observation.
I have mentioned the word panjtan pak (Core 5).
the whole of Ahle Bayt is macthes with 7 stars in Big dipper of 7.
so when full view of Ahle Bayt is taken we also Have Prince Alimohammed
and presently a stout Ismaili leader close to Imam n Ahle bayt in likes of
Salman Faras.
Pir n Imam is your assumption.the status of prophet as said by Imam SMS attainted 'Companionship of the High.
It does not mean a parallel soul along with Imam n titile of pir.
In your posting you just mentioned no Hierarchy in Imamat .
It does not mean if Imam hold title of both Imam n Pir, the soul/noor is not present in Ahle bayt.
Imam SMS had concern for is son Prince Aly Khan ,who was very very much anticipating Imam's role.
Imam SMS made a very strong watertight Will in favour of MHI stating
both the positions.
1. As not have ant parallel role/title for prince Aly Khan.(like Pir)
2.Khojas mainly were introduce the Imam as 'Pir Ma Baap' by pirs n alwaez then.
It was precise clarity done by Imam SMS prevailing of reality of that time.
In ahle Bayt all noor are present but roles may interchange with every Imamat phase.
A closer look with reality is needed n not just discourse of a late Alwaez.
Ya Ali Madad:Salegrih Mubarak to All.
When MHI became Imam.hat was 57 years back hardly 10% to Islamic countries were respecting Him and it's activities,
Now we have over 75% of countries having very high esteem of MHI and for the activities of it's network.
the balance less than a dozen countries constitutes just 10% of the Muslim population.
Such is the great act of our beloved MHI.
I am ending this message with a closing verses from one of my poems.
IS SALEGRIH KE JASN ME KYA DENA HAI TUJHE ALI ?
KHUB IBAADAT AUR KHIDMAT JUM KAR KARNA HAI HUME ALI.
HUM JIYENGE AUR JIYENGE SIRF ALI TERE LIYE.
RUHANI BACHE TERE HAI,HAATH THAAM KE RAKHNA ALI.
Translation.
On the occasion of Birthday,What do we have to give you ALI ?
Lots of Ibaadat/meditation and Khidmat/Seva/Service for you is our gift.
We will live hereafter n hereafter only for you ALI.
We are your spiritual children,please keep holding our hands.
When MHI became Imam.hat was 57 years back hardly 10% to Islamic countries were respecting Him and it's activities,
Now we have over 75% of countries having very high esteem of MHI and for the activities of it's network.
the balance less than a dozen countries constitutes just 10% of the Muslim population.
Such is the great act of our beloved MHI.
I am ending this message with a closing verses from one of my poems.
IS SALEGRIH KE JASN ME KYA DENA HAI TUJHE ALI ?
KHUB IBAADAT AUR KHIDMAT JUM KAR KARNA HAI HUME ALI.
HUM JIYENGE AUR JIYENGE SIRF ALI TERE LIYE.
RUHANI BACHE TERE HAI,HAATH THAAM KE RAKHNA ALI.
Translation.
On the occasion of Birthday,What do we have to give you ALI ?
Lots of Ibaadat/meditation and Khidmat/Seva/Service for you is our gift.
We will live hereafter n hereafter only for you ALI.
We are your spiritual children,please keep holding our hands.