What are the significants of #5 & # 7?

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:06 am

I heard in one waez that there are a big 'RUHANI SIGNIFICANTS" of number '5' and number '7'!! Rai Saheb mentioned that he will give the detail in one waez but I have not still heard in his any waez yet, may be I don't have that waez.
Does any one know what are the Ruhani Significants of these two numbers?

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:38 pm

In earlier times, some Ismailis believed in cyclical theory according to which 7 had great significance. They believed that religious history comprises of seven Prophetic eras each one inaugurated by Natiq. The Natiq of first 6 eras were Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Nabi Muhammad. These Natiqs had explained Zaheri or exoteric aspects. Esoteric aspects were explained by Wasis which were Shesh, Sam, Ismael, Aaron,Simon Peter nd Ali. In every era Wasi was succeeded by 7 Imams called atimma who guarded true meaning of divine scriptures and laws. The 7th Imam of every era would abrogate the Shariat of previous era and proclaim new one. This theory is elaborated by Farhad Daftary in his history book under section of Early Ismaili Doctrines. Personally, I do not hold belief in this theory.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:49 am

Munir,
Thanks for sharing theory, some what the theory seems right! but actually I need to know what significance Abu Ali gave on these numbers?

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:26 pm

You are welcome. I dont know in which context missionary was referring the significance. However, the theory also some how highlights significance of 7. Besides that 7 is the number of days in week, number of heavens or skies as well as number of days in which world was created (this is what people generally believe as per legends that God created world in 6 days and on 7th day every thing was ready so similarly people work 6 days a week and get one day a week as holiday) Now some people interpret it in esoteric and philosophical sense where 7 days mark different eras.
As for number 5, I think it is significant due to Panjtan Pak. The word Panj means five.
There is one waez of Bahadur Ali missionary in which he had highlighted importance of number 9 and given many examples of how different historical events took place when date was 9th.
Anyways, different numbers can have their own importance. But as for seven I know certain people had misinterpreted it in wrong way and created many misunderstandings among Ismailis.

imranramji2011 · Post by **imranramji2011** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:58 pm

star_munir wrote:In earlier times, some Ismailis believed in cyclical theory according to which 7 had great significance. They believed that religious history comprises of seven Prophetic eras each one inaugurated by Natiq. The Natiq of first 6 eras were Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Nabi Muhammad. These Natiqs had explained Zaheri or exoteric aspects. Esoteric aspects were explained by Wasis which were Shesh, Sam, Ismael, Aaron,Simon Peter nd Ali. In every era Wasi was succeeded by 7 Imams called atimma who guarded true meaning of divine scriptures and laws. The 7th Imam of every era would abrogate the Shariat of previous era and proclaim new one. This theory is elaborated by Farhad Daftary in his history book under section of Early Ismaili Doctrines. Personally, I do not hold belief in this theory.

well i hold true the belief that the 7th imam of every era abrogates the shriat of previous era and proclaims a new one. It is proof in our history. look through it and you will find how true it is, Look at our present MOWLA BAPA he is the 49th imam. if you divide 49/7=7. He has brought so much changes.

First he has removed his picture that used to hang on every single wall and now it only hangs on one.

secondly he is introducing a uniform namaz that will be announced when he thinks it is ready replacing dua!

new jamat khana's are built facing towards Kabah

lots of hinduistic traditions are being banned from being practiced.,

this all is new shariah

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:10 pm

imranramji2011 wrote:
star_munir wrote:In earlier times, some Ismailis believed in cyclical theory according to which 7 had great significance. They believed that religious history comprises of seven Prophetic eras each one inaugurated by Natiq. The Natiq of first 6 eras were Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Nabi Muhammad. These Natiqs had explained Zaheri or exoteric aspects. Esoteric aspects were explained by Wasis which were Shesh, Sam, Ismael, Aaron,Simon Peter nd Ali. In every era Wasi was succeeded by 7 Imams called atimma who guarded true meaning of divine scriptures and laws. The 7th Imam of every era would abrogate the Shariat of previous era and proclaim new one. This theory is elaborated by Farhad Daftary in his history book under section of Early Ismaili Doctrines. Personally, I do not hold belief in this theory.
well i hold true the belief that the 7th imam of every era abrogates the shriat of previous era and proclaims a new one. It is proof in our history. look through it and you will find how true it is, Look at our present MOWLA BAPA he is the 49th imam. if you divide 49/7=7. He has brought so much changes.

First he has removed his picture that used to hang on every single wall and now it only hangs on one.

secondly he is introducing a uniform namaz that will be announced when he thinks it is ready replacing dua!

new jamat khana's are built facing towards Kabah

lots of hinduistic traditions are being banned from being practiced.,

this all is new shariah

Replacing Du'a? What planet are you living in? Were you in Jamat Khana when the Talika was read?

Hinduistitic traditions being banned? Pray enlighten me as to what traditions are hinduistic and what are being banned?

What is Islamic? - btw..keep in mind ARABIC does NOT EQUAL ISLAMIC.

Keep culture separate from Faith.

Shams

imranramji2011 · Post by **imranramji2011** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:28 pm

ShamsB wrote:
imranramji2011 wrote:
star_munir wrote:In earlier times, some Ismailis believed in cyclical theory according to which 7 had great significance. They believed that religious history comprises of seven Prophetic eras each one inaugurated by Natiq. The Natiq of first 6 eras were Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Nabi Muhammad. These Natiqs had explained Zaheri or exoteric aspects. Esoteric aspects were explained by Wasis which were Shesh, Sam, Ismael, Aaron,Simon Peter nd Ali. In every era Wasi was succeeded by 7 Imams called atimma who guarded true meaning of divine scriptures and laws. The 7th Imam of every era would abrogate the Shariat of previous era and proclaim new one. This theory is elaborated by Farhad Daftary in his history book under section of Early Ismaili Doctrines. Personally, I do not hold belief in this theory.
well i hold true the belief that the 7th imam of every era abrogates the shriat of previous era and proclaims a new one. It is proof in our history. look through it and you will find how true it is, Look at our present MOWLA BAPA he is the 49th imam. if you divide 49/7=7. He has brought so much changes.

First he has removed his picture that used to hang on every single wall and now it only hangs on one.

secondly he is introducing a uniform namaz that will be announced when he thinks it is ready replacing dua!

new jamat khana's are built facing towards Kabah

lots of hinduistic traditions are being banned from being practiced.,

this all is new shariah

Replacing Du'a? What planet are you living in? Were you in Jamat Khana when the Talika was read?

Hinduistitic traditions being banned? Pray enlighten me as to what traditions are hinduistic and what are being banned?

What is Islamic? - btw..keep in mind ARABIC does NOT EQUAL ISLAMIC.

Keep culture separate from Faith.

Shams

not to worry i have this fight with my dad all the time....when i start explaining that lots of things we used to do was to convert hindus to islam (we are muslims are we not).

First yes i was their when talika was read. i should of explained my self better. K hear it is.... mowla said "dua and namaz has always coexisted side by side"

This in my understanding and how abu ali missionary explained it in one of his waiz is a gradual replacement of dua with namaz before he passed away. I have one of his audio if you would like to listen to it he has explained it beautifully. He explained this in form of a medicine. The doctor has prescribed you medicine to take in 10 days and inshallah you will get better in 10 days. If you take it all at once the medicine is going to not work. The same way mowla does with religious practice. He first went from a gujrati dua to an arabic dua and gradually changed the arabic dua to its formal dua. One day mowla will introduce a namaz that will exist side by side with dua and then slowly dua will change and we will have namaz.

Yes we had lots of hinduistic believes. One such picture was having mowlas pictures on all sides of jamat khana now we only have it on two sides.

another hinduistic belief was putting big plates of nandi when some one passed away. now that is not allowed and we have small plates.

Many ginans had siva hari ram and claiming ali is allah. all of these have been taken out and in its place they have put islamic values or the ginans have been banned by mowla himself.

Many ismailis would argue that this is councils doing but it isnt. are you all naive that mowla doesnt knows what council is doing in his name? Lets say council is doing this stuff and mowla doesnt approves do you think mowla would let these council members be in office? i dont think so

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:47 pm

I agree with Shams B. As for Imran, you need not to fight with you dad, but try to understand his view points by broadening your knowledge. If you are thinking "hari raam" in ginan is unIslamic, then sorry to say in your user id ur last name is also "ramji". When will you see the name of Jesus in Quran will you call it Christanity? Truly ignorant are the people who dont have value of the treasure of knowledge which is present in the Ginans.

I dont agree with this funniest assumptions of yours that dua will be replaced by Namaz. Imam has not said this uptil now. But any ways if incase, Imam makes Farman for that, we have to accept it. Otherwise, there is no need to assume things on your own and pass the judgements.
Photos of Imam are blessings indeed. You should be thankful and lucky for that that you can see photos of Imam. But unfortunately, some Ismailis are such ignorant ! when they have gold they wish for dust....they dont understand the significance of ceremonies and call it un Islamic.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:51 pm

As for seven theory....I dont find any truth in it. I dont know whether it was presented by any Dai or it was it self developed among the masses in Daur-e-Satar due to the different problems. There may be some sort of truth in it but personally I dont have any belief in it. I know different problems had occurred in past as well as in present due to mis interpretation of it. Karamta sect emerged on the basis of 7 theory and if you read the history you will see the problems that had occured as a result of that.

imranramji2011 · Post by **imranramji2011** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:16 am

star_munir wrote:As for seven theory....I dont find any truth in it. I dont know whether it was presented by any Dai or it was it self developed among the masses in Daur-e-Satar due to the different problems. There may be some sort of truth in it but personally I dont have any belief in it. I know different problems had occurred in past as well as in present due to mis interpretation of it. Karamta sect emerged on the basis of 7 theory and if you read the history you will see the problems that had occured as a result of that.

well our history in it self and that every seventh imam is bringing a change in religion is their. look at every seventh imam and you will see that a major evolution in history has happened

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:24 am

imranramji2011 wrote:
star_munir wrote:As for seven theory....I dont find any truth in it. I dont know whether it was presented by any Dai or it was it self developed among the masses in Daur-e-Satar due to the different problems. There may be some sort of truth in it but personally I dont have any belief in it. I know different problems had occurred in past as well as in present due to mis interpretation of it. Karamta sect emerged on the basis of 7 theory and if you read the history you will see the problems that had occured as a result of that.
well our history in it self and that every seventh imam is bringing a change in religion is their. look at every seventh imam and you will see that a major evolution in history has happened

Its not exclusively 7 but major changes occur in different era as per the need of time. For example, you had given example of changes that have occurred in the time of Hazir Imam, but if you see the history of Imam Sultan Mohamed Shah, many modifications and changes were made by him as well in ceremonies...one of the major example is introduction of Arabic dua. Similarly, there were changes in ceremonies or practices introduced during time of Imam Hassan Ali Shah as well.

Can you support this this theory from any Ginan/Qasida or any other authentic source?

imranramji2011 · Post by **imranramji2011** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:26 am

star_munir wrote:I agree with Shams B. As for Imran, you need not to fight with you dad, but try to understand his view points by broadening your knowledge. If you are thinking "hari raam" in ginan is unIslamic, then sorry to say in your user id ur last name is also "ramji". When will you see the name of Jesus in Quran will you call it Christanity? Truly ignorant are the people who dont have value of the treasure of knowledge which is present in the Ginans.

I dont agree with this funniest assumptions of yours that dua will be replaced by Namaz. Imam has not said this uptil now. But any ways if incase, Imam makes Farman for that, we have to accept it. Otherwise, there is no need to assume things on your own and pass the judgements.
Photos of Imam are blessings indeed. You should be thankful and lucky for that that you can see photos of Imam. But unfortunately, some Ismailis are such ignorant ! when they have gold they wish for dust....they dont understand the significance of ceremonies and call it un Islamic.

about my last name being ramji and comparing it to hindu belief i am sorry that is like comparing grapes to tomatos. they are two different things. my name isnt being worshiped while haari ram in ginans are. Have u even noticed that mowla has replaced the word haari ram in our ginans.

About my assumption of the dua to be gradually replaced by namaz it isnt my assumption it is what rai abu ali missionary has said.

Everything is a slow proccess in ismailism and this board is the prime example why namaz and dua will coexist side by side because not every one is going to accept the change all of a sudden.

Unfortunatly we have to distinct groups right now. One that is bent on the old ways and get extremely mad when change comes around and those that want the change to happen fast.

you all might think i am one of those ismailis that calls every thing shirk. I am not one of those ismailis. i am middle ground mostly

for example yes i believe mowla has the noor of allah in him. But i dont believe that mowla is allah like many of my ismaili brothers.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:04 am

lots of hinduistic traditions are being banned from being practiced.,

We Ismailis never practiced any Hinduistic traditions in past or at present time specially in Jamat Khana ceremonies.

secondly he is introducing a uniform namaz that will be announced when he thinks it is ready replacing dua!

Who knows? when the new namaz will be introduce? in which countries it will introduce? it is up to Mowla bapa but one thing is for sure that the new Namaz will be not for all Jamats in the world it may be for certain countries.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:16 am

Many ginans had siva hari ram and claiming ali is allah. all of these have been taken out and in its place they have put islamic values or the ginans have been banned by mowla himself.

Who changed it? not Mowla bapa brother, I am pretty sure that you can not find any where that Mowla gives any permission to change ginan's original texts, if you know any such farmans then please let me know.

Shiva, Hari are just names it doesn't mean that we are worshiping them, it has given in our ginans to give examples to our ancestors who were Hindus and they were worshiping Shiva, Hari, Krishna, Rama before they converted in Ismailism, FYI:- there are many Kafirs names in Quran! which Allahtala mentioned him self like Pheroa, Namruds, e.t.c. It doesn't mean that they were great because there names are quoted in Quran they are just names and it is given for example and there is nothing to do with our practice same way Shiva, Hari are just names it has nothing to do with our practice or or traditions.

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:28 pm

agakhani wrote:
Many ginans had siva hari ram and claiming ali is allah. all of these have been taken out and in its place they have put islamic values or the ginans have been banned by mowla himself.
Who changed it? not Mowla bapa brother, I am pretty sure that you can not find any where that Mowla gives any permission to change ginan's original texts, if you know any such farmans then please let me know.

Shiva, Hari are just names it doesn't mean that we are worshiping them, it has given in our ginans to give examples to our ancestors who were Hindus and they were worshiping Shiva, Hari, Krishna, Rama before they converted in Ismailism, FYI:- there are many Kafirs names in Quran! which Allahtala mentioned him self like Pheroa, Namruds, e.t.c. It doesn't mean that they were great because there names are quoted in Quran they are just names and it is given for example and there is nothing to do with our practice same way Shiva, Hari are just names it has nothing to do with our practice or or traditions.

Agreed Agakhani.

Imran - Allah in the Quran states - all the prophets were Muslims - in your search for the "sunnistic" identity you claim to want to pursue - did you ever come across this statement by Allah in the Quran? or in that search did Islam start with Mohammed?

This statement means that all the 124,000 messengers that Allah sent were muslim - wow..that means..that everything that they taught was Islam...right? so where does Hinduism come in?

it is all a matter of perspective - our Imam speaks of pluralism and tolerance - maybe in your talibanistic approach to ismailism that is not allowed to exist?...

Islam is a universal faith - not bound by one language of culture - ismailism allows for the one on one relationship between an Mureed and his Mursheed - HE is what you want HIM TO BE and HOW YOU SEE HIM

now whether you see Ram or Mach Avtar ..or Ali..so be it.

In his farmans over the years - the Imam states.."take the names of the Imams..the name of Mohammed, the name of Ali..." many Imams.

You want a perspective that will satisfy you - read Spirituality in Shi'i Islam - btw it's an IIS publication - and you'll see that the Shi'i belief is in continuous, perpetual Imamat - Imamat is not static - it didn't happen at the declaration of Ghadir - e - Khumm, Ali was already the Imam - Mohammed openly declared him at Ghadir - e - Khumm (read Sura Maida - o Apostle deliver to the people what has been REVEALED to thee...)

Let's take another tact - Abdallah means - beloved of Allah right? well so does Harischandra.... Hari's beloved

Do you even know what Hari means?? "Dhuk Bhanjan" remover of Dhuk..

Now if the Imam tells you - the Imam speaks the languages of the birds and the bees -what does it matter whether I call him Ali - or Karim or Ram or Krishna...Imamat is not timebound..

Learn how to tolerate and not dictate...

our faith is only based on one thing and that is the Imam...without the concept of Imamah - not only Ismailism doesn't exist - Shi'ism doesn't.

Shams

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:51 pm

imranramji2011 wrote: secondly he is introducing a uniform namaz that will be announced when he thinks it is ready replacing dua!

If Namaz and Dua have co-existed through out history what makes you think that it will cease to do so in future. They coexisted during the Fatimid period when Ismailis were required to say the Namaz. Dua could have easily been eliminted then but it was not!

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:25 am

and you'll see that the Shi'i belief is in continuous, perpetual Imamat - Imamat is not static - it didn't happen at the declaration of Ghadir - e - Khumm, Ali was already the Imam - Mohammed openly declared him at Ghadir - e - Khumm (read Sura Maida - o Apostle deliver to the people what has been REVEALED to thee...)

That is absolutely right brother Shams, Shi'i belief was before Hazarat Ali (s.a.) and if I tell you the truth Shi'i believers were there during the time of prophet Moses, and Isa (pbuh).

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:24 pm

imranramji2011 wrote:
star_munir wrote:I agree with Shams B. As for Imran, you need not to fight with you dad, but try to understand his view points by broadening your knowledge. If you are thinking "hari raam" in ginan is unIslamic, then sorry to say in your user id ur last name is also "ramji". When will you see the name of Jesus in Quran will you call it Christanity? Truly ignorant are the people who dont have value of the treasure of knowledge which is present in the Ginans.

I dont agree with this funniest assumptions of yours that dua will be replaced by Namaz. Imam has not said this uptil now. But any ways if incase, Imam makes Farman for that, we have to accept it. Otherwise, there is no need to assume things on your own and pass the judgements.
Photos of Imam are blessings indeed. You should be thankful and lucky for that that you can see photos of Imam. But unfortunately, some Ismailis are such ignorant ! when they have gold they wish for dust....they dont understand the significance of ceremonies and call it un Islamic.
about my last name being ramji and comparing it to hindu belief i am sorry that is like comparing grapes to tomatos. they are two different things. my name isnt being worshiped while haari ram in ginans are. Have u even noticed that mowla has replaced the word haari ram in our ginans.

About my assumption of the dua to be gradually replaced by namaz it isnt my assumption it is what rai abu ali missionary has said.

Everything is a slow proccess in ismailism and this board is the prime example why namaz and dua will coexist side by side because not every one is going to accept the change all of a sudden.

Unfortunatly we have to distinct groups right now. One that is bent on the old ways and get extremely mad when change comes around and those that want the change to happen fast.

you all might think i am one of those ismailis that calls every thing shirk. I am not one of those ismailis. i am middle ground mostly

for example yes i believe mowla has the noor of allah in him. But i dont believe that mowla is allah like many of my ismaili brothers.

You are not worshiped but the name of "Ramji" is worshiped by many people who believe "Ramji" as God.
Dr.Allama Iqbal, a very famous philosopher and poet was a Sunni Muslim. In his book "Bang-e-Dara", had written a poem in praise of "Raam" . By writing a poem on Raam, if he has not become Non Muslim, then why do you think you will become? In Ginans, if the examples from Ramayana, Mahabharata etc is given which helps in inculcating moral and ethical values as well as better understanding of faith...so whats problem in that?
One also needs to remember God was not born 1400 years back. God is eternal and true religion was there from the beginning.

As for the two groups you have mentioned....I would add on it. The first group about which you mentioned believing in old ways, are ready to change ways, provided if the change is made by Imam Him self. However, definitely, they will get mad if someone not authorized to make change will wish to make change.
As for the second group you mentioned, I would say this group out of ignorance is not realizing the value of the traditions and ceremonies. There are some people who out of ignorance wish to follow shariati faith. However, haqiqati faith is of more higher level than the shariati faith.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:18 am

If Namaz and Dua have co-existed through out history what makes you think that it will cease to do so in future. They coexisted during the Fatimid period when Ismailis were required to say the Namaz. Dua could have easily been eliminted then but it was not!

We Ismailis were reciting Namaz till pir Sadardin, and till he introduced old Sindhi/Katchi/Gujarati Du'a which was in practice untill new current Arabic Du'a was introduced in year 1956.
Namaz and Du'a is a same thing, only they have different name and language. As Karim wrote above that they were coexisted during the Fatimid period too, thanks for sharing this.
In my opinion, it is nothing wrong if you go in mosque and recites namaz over there on and off but as a farman of our MHI we should recite our dua in Jamat Khana with other jamati members.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:41 pm

Dr.Allama Iqbal, a very famous philosopher and poet was a Sunni Muslim. In his book "Bang-e-Dara", had written a poem in praise of "Raam" . By writing a poem on Raam, if he has not become Non Muslim, then why do you think you will become?

Thanks,
I have a list of Sunny, Shia Muslims saints who had wrote poems, Bhajans and granths on Krishna, Rama and other Hindu devas even though they were Muslims, upon request I will post that list here otherwise I don't think it is necessary to waste my time.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:01 pm

@Aga Khani,
Yes, if you have list then do share the names.
Even before Pir Sadardin, Pir Shams had introduced dua in Saraiki language to be offered 3 times a day.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:50 am

Below is the list of "Muslim Saints" who has written most poems on "Lord Krishna" and "Lord Rama" even though they were Muslim.
1, Kabir
2, Abdul Rahim Khan-E-Khana Rahim
3, Syed Ibrahim known as 'RASKHAN'
4, Bulle Shah (Punjab)
5, Rajjab.
6, Dadu Dayal.
8, Attar Shah
9, Anwar Kaji.
10, Kaji Mohammad Shah.
11, Jivan Mastan.
12, Zaafar Khan.
13, RAJE; He wrote many poems also wrote a book on Krishna.
14, Devayat Pandit ( a disciple of pir Sadardin)
15, Katib Shah.
Please note that above saints wrote their poems in different languages like "Vraj' Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu, Rajasthani and Gujarati languages.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:00 am

Recently I listened a waez of Rai Abu Ali, in his waez Rai Saheb gives some details on good and bad dates.
According Rai Abu Ali, in year 1934 or may be year 1936, ( actually I forget the exact year but exact year stated in waez by Abu Ali and if some one want to know the waez number I'll provide it) a groop of missionary visted MSM and requested Mowla that many Jamati members comes to us and ask us for the good dates for their son/daughter's wedding, or start a new business or move in new house, MSM ordered them to bring paper and pen, so he can write down good and bad dates, he divided all months dates in following four categories and give these dates to the group of those missionaries.

1, Bad dates.
2, Good dates.
3, very good
4, Very very good.

1, Bad dates are 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27 and date 30.
2, Good dates are 2, 8,,11,13,14,16,17,19,20,22,25,26,28,29 and date 31.
3, Very good dates are, according MSM 1, 4 and date 10.
4, Very, very good, superb, excellent and best dates are according MSM, 5, 7, and 23, Now if you look in very very good date number '5' and number '7' are there. and according Alwaez date "5" will be a date when "Zahurat" will start.

I think this is very interesting topic it has not touched by any one this forum yet, so I thought I should post it here with detail, hope you will like it and take vantage of good dates.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:02 am

Interesting information, are these dates according to Islamic calendar or English calendar? Were these dates for that particular year or for all the times?

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:13 am

star_munir wrote:Interesting information, are these dates according to Islamic calendar or English calendar? Were these dates for that particular year or for all the times?

Lunar calendar.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:29 am

Thanks Shams, any news about your travel in Austin?

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:31 am

Were these dates for that particular year or for all the times?

These dates are for all the time.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:07 pm

Thanks