Usool e din

[prince_visram]

Ya Ali Madaat,

I just have a few more questions to ask of the online Ismaili community. The Usool e din or principles of faith/roots of religion - they are believed by the Ismailis, correct? I know Sultaan Mohammad Shah made a firman on them in 1899, but many sources say that the Usool e din are of the twelver faith (and not the Ismailis).

Also, I would like to know where or who originated the Usool e din. Thanks and waiting for a reply.

[ShamsB]

Ya Ali Madaat,

I just have a few more questions to ask of the online Ismaili community. The Usool e din or principles of faith/roots of religion - they are believed by the Ismailis, correct? I know Sultaan Mohammad Shah made a firman on them in 1899, but many sources say that the Usool e din are of the twelver faith (and not the Ismailis).

Also, I would like to know where or who originated the Usool e din. Thanks and waiting for a reply.

You're mixing things - there is a farman called the Usul-e-din farman.
Usul-e-din means rules of religion - any religion can have usul-e-din.
it's semantics.

Shams

[prince_visram]

Ya Ali Madaat,

I just have a few more questions to ask of the online Ismaili community. The Usool e din or principles of faith/roots of religion - they are believed by the Ismailis, correct? I know Sultaan Mohammad Shah made a firman on them in 1899, but many sources say that the Usool e din are of the twelver faith (and not the Ismailis).

Also, I would like to know where or who originated the Usool e din. Thanks and waiting for a reply.

You're mixing things - there is a farman called the Usul-e-din farman.
Usul-e-din means rules of religion - any religion can have usul-e-din.
it's semantics.

Shams

Thanks for your reply Shams. I do understand they are two seperate things, and i also understand that Usool e din can be in any religion. I am here, refering to the ones listed. The ones learned. When you hear of Usool e din, most are referring to :

Tawhid (Oneness)
Adl (Justice)
Nubuwwah (Prophethood)
Imamah (Leadership)
Yawm al Qiyyamah (The Day of Resurrection)

This list is also taught in other madrasas and in their syllabus. So i was just wondering - who created the above list . Like sure there are principles in each religion, but who created the list above.

[znanwalla]

PV...if you know and understand the Quran then answer to your question lies therein...why don't you give us a brief explanation first of what each of these Pillars imply and once you are able to do this, you will not have any more questions on this subject...in our tariqa who is "steadfast in knowldge"? who is the purified one? who touches the recitations? who is the Panjtan Paak?....so then who makes the decision? isn't the answer obvious? basis? it is the Quran...everything is well supported ! go and read the quran please !

[zznoor]

it is the Quran...everything is well supported ! go and read the quran please !

Which Quran?

[znanwalla]

The Narrations/Translations which you call "Quran" will suffice also !

The Book which your translators and narrators call " the word of a Messenger" will suffice too !...also feel free to read the text approved by Saudi or Tehran or Pakistan or the Tora Bora graduates....that too will suffice for you....do you have any more questions?...ask me and I will give you and that too without mincing my words !

[prince_visram]

I know I didn't end up posting back, but again the terms of Usul e Din have come to mind.

I do understand that the Usul e Din can be found in the Qu'ran-e-Shariff, but what my original question was, and what I still seek to know, is who brought the idea of picking the following from the Qur'an and teaching them:

Tawhid (Oneness)
Adl (Justice)
Nubuwwah (Prophethood)
Imamah (Leadership)
Yawm al Qiyyamah (The Day of Resurrection)

Like was it an Imam that had mentioned the above components of belief? Or was it just a random scholar who decided that the five mentioned above should be taught.

What I'm trying to say is that these terms are mentioned in most sources when referring to the Usul e Din, examples:

http://www.centremadrasah.com/uploaded_ ... mplete.pdf

http://www.dartabligh.org/books/ebooks/ ... page20.asp

http://sachedina-esoteric.com/usuledin.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4527849/Grade-1-Fiqh-Book

Everywhere it references four or all five of the terms I listed. My question remains on who came up with the terms and extracted them from the Qur'an and standardized the teaching of the terms in particular.

Thanks for your help by the way, I really appreciate your efforts..

[agakhani]

Prince,
First, I want to know and may some other readers also want to know that which exact question is in your mind from following four questions? before any one can post reply. It seems that there is a confusion going on in your question, so please make clarification first.

1, Do you mean when the USOOL-E-DIN started?
or
2, Do you want to know who started usool-e-din?
or
3, Which sect first adopted usool-e-din? I mean Shia, sunny or Twelver?
or
4, Who created or formarted the usool-e-din first?

Please reply, so some one can post the correct answer.

[prince_visram]

Prince,
First, I want to know and may some other readers also want to know that which exact question is in your mind from following four questions? before any one can post reply. It seems that there is a confusion going on in your question, so please make clarification first.

1, Do you mean when the USOOL-E-DIN started?
or
2, Do you want to know who started usool-e-din?
or
3, Which sect first adopted usool-e-din? I mean Shia, sunny or Twelver?
or
4, Who created or formarted the usool-e-din first?

Please reply, so some one can post the correct answer.

Thanks for your reply, and sorry I'm being so confusing...

I think question 4 is what I am trying to ask.. (like was it an Imam or Scholar that came up with the idea?,, etc)

Thanks

[agakhani]

I think question 4 is what I am trying to ask.. (like was it an Imam or Scholar that came up with the idea?,, etc)

4, Who created or formarted the usool-e-din first?

Neither any Imam nor any scholar defined 5 pillars of Islam, but Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the first who defined the 5 pillars of Islam in a saying (hadith) of him. The ritual worships according to the 5 pillars of Islam are also mentioned in Quran.

[prince_visram]

I think question 4 is what I am trying to ask.. (like was it an Imam or Scholar that came up with the idea?,, etc)

4, Who created or formarted the usool-e-din first?

Neither any Imam nor any scholar defined 5 pillars of Islam, but Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the first who defined the 5 pillars of Islam in a saying (hadith) of him. The ritual worships according to the 5 pillars of Islam are also mentioned in Quran.

Thank you so much, that was the answer I was looking for. I am assuming that it was a Hadith from the Shia doctrines. Thanks again.