Yes! you are because the hadith I quoted were the sayings of Imam Jafar as Sadiq who is revered by all Sh'ias alike....they are found in the authentic books of the twelver Sh'ias ! You call them fabrications ! proves who you are ! certainly not an ismaili !
so just because it is in some ishna shari book then it means its authentic...right ???
arent you the one who were making fun of imam mehdi here on ismaili.net ???
You felicitously claimed that your man made compilations by the scribes are "eternal" - you also claimed "messengership" was eternal ! and yet you downgraded Imamat altogether ! Now which ismaili would do this?
excuse me, i never downgraded imam[as] , all i did was to check your BP, dont forget that people from our sister branches visit this site often....so please kindly show some tolerance rather than being YAZID[may allah's curse be upon him]
Then I showed you some fundamental flaws in the narrations where many narrators have called the quran the 'word of the noble Messenger" ! I asked you to comment - you swept it under the carpet so conveniently.
copying something from christian[anti muslim] sites wont prove your stand sister read below and feel satisfied !!!
I talked of the attempt at abrogation and questioned how this is possible if the chronological order is incorrect? You have no clue of the quran and you offered to help me understand ! understand what?
Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).
The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.
Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel.
During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice. [ i think in one of the post you said ,fatima[khatoon e jannat] said jibrail reconfirmed the holy quran twice from rasool [saw] ]
It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.
Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman
Usman borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman to the main centres of Muslims.
There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey
The original manuscript of the Qur’an does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.
Some people argue that the present copy of the Qur’an that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Qur’an that was present at the Prophet’s time.
But they fail to realize that the word ‘Qur’an’ means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Qur’an is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.
Allah has promised in the Qur’an :
"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). [Al-Qur’an 15:9]
Now you have changed by saying it will take six years to write - first you said to copy ! writing it or copying it....the quran is preserved in the heart of the Imam and Allah confirms this too in Sura Yaseen...but you are rejecting it and then acting coy !
i never changed nothing sister, its you who is dancing on HADITHS tune not me !
plus if it is preserved in imam's[as] heart then how come our holy dua book mentions aayat so and so which matches exactly !!!! lemme repeat exactly !! as compiled by h.uthman during his time !!
again a co-incidence ??
it was imam who said 6 years sister not me....he said its gonna take him 6 years !! that was in 1899 ...and in 1950's the old dua was dissolved and a new arabi dua was introduced !
So are you maherally minnion ? pretending here and giving us the lie of the land and using Imam's name on the sly to mislead? do you think you can fool me?
screw meherally !
just because i dont wanna believe in man made hadiths that support your fake side of islam means iam his minnion ???
if thats the case then you're most welcome to call me with whatever name you want
shiraz virani [houston, sugarland jamatkhanta
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hope this clears little scum from that tiny brain !
