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aeliya
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salm

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well
i am a khoja...shia itna ashri.........while searching net i came across this society////////
n found very interesting topics discussed here
though i am not much aware about..ismailis.i planned to know about it
n tried to discuss things...learn things..n share views
thoughi am just aged 19
i believe logically
that hijab is a very important aspects for a women
i am also working in a co.which is totally a non muslim one
but when a women does hijab...it carries islam with it..n enlightens it
as i repeat womens are diamonds...it is imp for them to hide their hairs n voluntary to hide their face



i would like to here from u and will b very obliged to learn few things which i may not b aware of
n would be ready to leave this society if my view points are not encouraged or may lead to conflicts
reply me
eagerly waiting for it
shamsu
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Quran

Post by shamsu »

I do not have much knowledge about the Quran

Is this mentioned in the Quran? If so where?
haroon_adel
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Re: salm

Post by haroon_adel »

aeliya wrote:well
i am a khoja...shia itna ashri.........while searching net i came across this society////////
n found very interesting topics discussed here
though i am not much aware about..ismailis.i planned to know about it
n tried to discuss things...learn things..n share views
thoughi am just aged 19
i believe logically
that hijab is a very important aspects for a women
i am also working in a co.which is totally a non muslim one
but when a women does hijab...it carries islam with it..n enlightens it
as i repeat womens are diamonds...it is imp for them to hide their hairs n voluntary to hide their face



i would like to here from u and will b very obliged to learn few things which i may not b aware of
n would be ready to leave this society if my view points are not encouraged or may lead to conflicts
reply me
eagerly waiting for it
There's some ties between culture and relegion. Wearing Hejab is a culture in most Islamic countries; however, it is not part of the relegion. So, if one decides to wear Hejab and cover her hair and face, that is her choice. Is it good? again, like I said, it depends more on a culture than a relegion. So, if you are in a country where wearing Hejab is practiced for all women, then its good to wear that. On the other hand, if you are living in a society where no one wears Hejab, the ones who wear Hejab, may not feel comfortable. And if they choose to wear, that's all good too.

Basically, all I am trying to say is: wearing Hejab belongs to culture, and we should not judge someone, if she wears or doesn't wear. It doesn't affect her relegiouse belief.
aeliya
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salam.

Post by aeliya »

ITs gud to hear from u but sir
firstly we need to know wht is hijab...
then the answer of our question will b automatically known
who said that hijab is in culture n not religion????is it anywhere in books..no i dont think so........
it is in religion
have u ever heard that any GUD women in islamic history was without hijab any time...or on any ceromany
a women wearing hijab indicates respect for herself...n she does not attract the man kind
On the whole the simple thing is that with hijab a women prevents (buri nazar) or attraction
so ..........if ......... i believe that hijab is in culture then women r allowed to attract...becoz hair r the best source of attraction....actually women in natural instinct luv to attract men


last but not the least
In (Surah e Nisa of the quran) there is a mention of hijab


one more thing is that...covering hair is important not face.......

A women when she goes to a country where hijab is not there n she is not comfortable


islam is not a matter of comfort
in that case

listening to songs is also comfortable but it is prohibited..coz of genuin reasons
haroon_adel
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Re: salam.

Post by haroon_adel »

aeliya wrote:ITs gud to hear from u but sir
firstly we need to know wht is hijab...
then the answer of our question will b automatically known
who said that hijab is in culture n not religion????is it anywhere in books..no i dont think so........
it is in religion
have u ever heard that any GUD women in islamic history was without hijab any time...or on any ceromany
a women wearing hijab indicates respect for herself...n she does not attract the man kind
On the whole the simple thing is that with hijab a women prevents (buri nazar) or attraction
so ..........if ......... i believe that hijab is in culture then women r allowed to attract...becoz hair r the best source of attraction....actually women in natural instinct luv to attract men


last but not the least
In (Surah e Nisa of the quran) there is a mention of hijab


one more thing is that...covering hair is important not face.......

A women when she goes to a country where hijab is not there n she is not comfortable


islam is not a matter of comfort
in that case

listening to songs is also comfortable but it is prohibited..coz of genuin reasons
I don't know what kind of a mindset you have, buddy. But as you claimed, you don't fit into our community, so you better take your ideas to somewhere else.

We think one level deeper than what you think. When you say Hijab, the "Zaheri" meaning is just to cover your face and hair, but if you think the "Batuni" meaning, it means cover your soul from bad deeds. By just wearing Hijab, one can not become "momin" and a good women, if she does other things under that Hijab. So, you must understand, that Hijab can have a different meaning than just covering yourself up. That's what I believe.

I stand corrected! Hijab is part of culture, and has nothig to do with the relegion. Relegion, believe is individualistic, and culture is not. When you go for a job interview in bank for example, in the U.S. or Canada, will you wear cloths that you used to wear back home (I don't know where you came from)? I don't think so. Why? because people are not accostumed to that. Culture expects you to wear a decend business casual dress or suit and tie, maybe.

So, to conclude, You people just see "Zahir" what's in the surface and don't care what's in "Batin" deep down inside you. That's the big difference between "You" and "Me". So, if in your book, wearing Hijab is dectated, then it is right for you. I don't blame you of wearing Hijab. And don't forget, only wearing Hijab does not make you a good person, unless you clean your soul also. But if you clean your soul inside, you are already a good person, even without wearing Hijab.

I hope I make myself clear.
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unexpected

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Thank you for ur suggestion sir
but i hav not come to this society to change minds (not mine n not yours 2)
i completely disagree with ur point
so its ok....u continue with urs n i will continue with mine
one more think...its not a great think to decide wht is right unless the other person says that u r right
n i dont say so
and as u say..that we dont look inside or deeper..then believe me a persons personality is shown through his zahir only somehow his zahir showcases him batin ... if i do hijab ...my zahir is stoping the other person batin from negetivity...plz dont make judgements....there is no issue.plz continue with wht u believe...n i will with mine...n i think let us stop discussing abt it anymore..
its disappointing to hear cold words from you.
as it is i dont wanna talk abt it anymore
but LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST....stop judging things n people.....there is no tyranny in any religion....before religion there is something called humanity

thank you it was gud talking to you...really
n
thank you once again
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Re: unexpected

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aeliya wrote:Thank you for ur suggestion sir
but i hav not come to this society to change minds (not mine n not yours 2)
i completely disagree with ur point
so its ok....u continue with urs n i will continue with mine
one more think...its not a great think to decide wht is right unless the other person says that u r right
n i dont say so
and as u say..that we dont look inside or deeper..then believe me a persons personality is shown through his zahir only somehow his zahir showcases him batin ... if i do hijab ...my zahir is stoping the other person batin from negetivity...plz dont make judgements....there is no issue.plz continue with wht u believe...n i will with mine...n i think let us stop discussing abt it anymore..
its disappointing to hear cold words from you.
as it is i dont wanna talk abt it anymore
but LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST....stop judging things n people.....there is no tyranny in any religion....before religion there is something called humanity

thank you it was gud talking to you...really
n
thank you once again
aeliya wrote: but i hav not come to this society to change minds (not mine n not yours 2)
You do not and can not change no one's idea. You simply asked a question, and I gave you my point of view, that's all.
aeliya wrote:firstly we need to know wht is hijab...
then the answer of our question will b automatically known
If you believe this way, then you don't have any questions to begin with.
aeliya wrote: i completely disagree with ur point
What point is that?
aeliya wrote: so its ok....u continue with urs n i will continue with mine
I'd say, that's a good idea.
aelia wrote: one more think...its not a great think to decide wht is right unless the other person says that u r right
n i dont say so
I simply gave you my point of view about wearing hijab, never judge you whether you are right or wrong. I leave this for youself to do so.

Hazrat Ali says "The greatest court is your Self-Conscious", and I believe in that. So, I leave all the judgement and decision for yourself.
aeliya wrote:and as u say..that we dont look inside or deeper..then believe me a persons personality is shown through his zahir only somehow his zahir showcases him batin ... if i do hijab ...my zahir is stoping the other person batin from negetivity...
I refuse to believe this!!! That's where you make mistake, to judge someone from his Zahir. You can never findout what someone's personality is, unless you get to know the person. You can not simply judge someone just by looking at how s/he dresses. Again, I just can't disagree with you any more on this.

aeliya wrote:its disappointing to hear cold words from you.
Cold words!? Well, if you come here in this community, you better have some respect and open mind for other ideas/belief and point of views.

aeliya wrote:but LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST....stop judging things n people.....there is no tyranny in any religion....before religion there is something called humanity
As I mentioned earlier, I mention again. You were never judged. I leave judgement to your own self, as the greatest court is your self-onscious. Tyranny? this was never the subject of our conversation, don't know where did you get this idea in your mind. Think before you say something, pal.

aeliya wrote: thank you it was gud talking to you...really
And you are welcome.


PS: BTW, try to improve your spelling alittle bit. I am not a great speller either, but I try my best. I suggest you do the same.
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Post by razinizar »

Dear Aliya
firstly, I would like to appreciate you asking question to yourself and try to find out the answer around you.

In Islam, there are lots of different Interpretations and explanation, firstly I would like to tell you the word HIJAB is never been used in the Quran. In quran it is stated like that

Surah 24:31
Khalifa Translation
And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed.*

Shakir Translation
And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.

SherAli Translation
And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment except that which is apparent thereof, and that they draw their head-coverings over their bosoms, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment save to their husbands, or to their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or women who are their companions, or those that their right hands possess, or such of male attendants as have no desire for women, or young children who have not yet attained knowledge of the hidden parts of women. And that they strike not their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may become known. And turn ye to ALLAH all together, O believers, that you may prosper.

Yusuf Ali Translation
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.
There many other Quranic Verse like
O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD's signs, that they may take heed. - Quran [7:26]
In Various other verses of Quran Allah says to Cover your bodies with a proper clothing, but never says anything about HIJAB and never explicitly define the dress code of HIJAB where many people wears.

I Completely disagree with my other brothers who tries to give you your answer in different direction and who tries to put your answer into the quest of Zaher and Batin. I think Zahir and batin is very important but this is not the Answer to that.

dear Aliya, I, on behalf of every Ismailies and Muslim want to tell you that I really RESPECT your Interpretation of Quran, I would like to tell you that there are many many different interpretation of Quran, It is Allah who knows Exactly what we are doing.

In the end of the Disscussion, i would like to say
The Right of you may not be the Right of Mine and the Right of Mine may not be Right of you, So Lakum deenukum waliya deeni means "To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."

Thanks
Regards
Razi
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aeliya
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Salam

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<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Your Hijab Questions Answered</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">What do you want to know about the way Muslim women dress, the headscarf, and the hijab? Beliefnet answers your questions here.</SPAN> <BR><BR>By Dilshad D. Ali <BR>Islam Editor<BR><BR> <BR>Salam<BR>Thank you Razinizar..for ur kind word you shared here<BR>it has given&nbsp; me a good image of ismailies..rather after the unkind answers given to me by haroon adel.i seriouslly planned to leave this community as no o&shy;ne would be ready to listen anything against their own &nbsp;religion...but now i would conyinue to share...learn things....<BR>as far as my spellings are concered.this is simple computer language spoken max among youngsters.....so there is no issue o&shy;n that part<BR>and now MR HAROON wht do u say about hijab now..,,,<BR>the questions below and its answers are given by an ismaili o&shy;nly....you by Khemarali in the current issue plz view i have simpy copied them down and appreciate any views........<BR>last but not the least we believe in spreading knowledge.....dont degrage my faith and my religion MR haroon ADEl<BR>god bless you<BR><BR>thank you RAZINIZAR o&shy;nce again<BR>plz go through the article....n sharing views will b appreciated from my side<BR>ya ali madad<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>By Dilshad D.ali<BR>islam editor<BR><BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">The hijab, or headscarf, is o&shy;ne of the most noticeable and misunderstood badges of Muslim women. But there’s much more to the Islamic dress code for women than the hijab. It’s a total package that deals with clothing, behavior, and demeanor. For some hijab means pairing a headscarf with Western-style clothes. For others it means wearing loose robes as well. Still others add a niqab, or face veil, to their ensembles. <BR><BR>What do Islam and the Qur’an exactly say about modest clothing for women? What does Islamic dress exactly entail? Why do some Muslim women cover up while others don’t? Are there any dress requirements for Muslim men? Check out our Muslim clothing FAQs for the answers to your burning questions.</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">What is hijab? </SPAN><BR><BR>The word "hijab" comes from the Arabic "hajaba," which means to conceal or hide from view. In general terms, it refers to Islamic modest dressing for women. But it has come to signify the headscarf, which is the covering many Muslim women use to hide their hair, neck, and often bosom. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">What does Islamic dress for women exactly entail? </SPAN><BR><BR>Islam has no fixed uniform of dress for Muslim women. But there are two requirements, which come from the Qur’an and hadith (verified sayings of the Prophet Muhammad): First, a woman’s body should be covered such that o&shy;nly her face, hands, and feet are revealed. Secondly, the clothing must be loose enough so that the shape of a woman’s body is not visible. <BR><BR>Other parameters (as stated in hadiths) are that women shouldn’t dress so as to look like men, women shouldn’t dress in a way similar to those who don’t believe in God, and the clothing should be modest, neither ragged nor overly fancy. <BR><BR>It is important to remember that Islam teaches Muslims that the concept of modest dress doesn’t just mean covering the body, but it also has to do with behaviors, manners, speech, and public appearance. Modesty is a total package, with dress being o&shy;ne part of it. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Why is covering the head important? </SPAN><BR><BR>Strictly speaking, covering the hair is just o&shy;ne part of a Muslim woman’s dress. Covering all other parts of the body (except for the face, hands, and feet) is also important. But as women around the world adapt Islamic dressing to the fashions of their country, more and more it is the hijab, or headscarf, that is constant and marks a woman as a Muslim. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Is covering up mandated by the Qur’an?</SPAN> <BR><BR>Hijab and modest dressing is mandated in the Qur’an, though some Muslims argue that it is not a strict requirement but merely a strong suggestion (that is open to individual interpretation. A few passages in the Qur’an refer to an Islamic dress code: <BR><BR>"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments ..." (Qur'an 24:30-31) <BR><BR>This verse highlights three points: That a woman shouldn’t show her beauty except when faced with uncontrolled factors, like the wind blowing her clothes; that the headscarf should cover the hair, neck, and the bosom; and that women need not cover up in front of certain men (husbands, fathers, sons, etc.). <BR><BR>Further hadiths give other details. o&shy;ne of the most quoted is the following: <BR><BR>“Ayesha reported that Asmaa, the daughter of Abu Bakr came to the Messenger of Allah (SWT) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said, ‘O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this.’ He pointed to the face and hands.” (Abu Dawood) <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Why do women choose to cover themselves or wear the hijab? </SPAN><BR><BR>This is an intensely personal decision. Of course not all Muslim women follow these rules of modest dressing. Some adapt these rules to modern times (like wearing a headscarf over Western-style clothing that still covers the body). Some women argue that modesty is a state of mind and has nothing to do with clothing. Still others say that what is written in the Qur’an and in hadiths cannot be denied--that Muslim women must cover up. <BR><BR>Those who choose to follow Islamic dress codes do so for myriad reasons: They feel compelled to honor what the Qur’an asks of them. Or they feel covering up will identify them to the world as a Muslim woman. Or they feel that covering up will give them safety and the liberty to move about freely. Still others say that covering up and downplaying their physical beauty allows them to be appreciated for their mind, not their body. And for some women, it’s not a choice. Some Muslim countries (like Saudi Arabia) require Muslim women to cover up. And many families around the world insist that their women follow the code of Islamic dress. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Why do some Muslim women cover completely and others just cover their hair?</SPAN> <BR><BR>Muslim women make choices when it comes to Islamic dress. Some girls, perhaps in copying their mothers, cover from a very young age (though a girl is required to cover up when they hit puberty). Other women begin covering later in life. Some don’t ever cover their hair. Many Muslim women in North America adapt Western fashions to Islamic dress by wearing a headscarf over long-sleeve tops and pants or jeans. Other women, keeping in mind the requirement that Islamic dress should be loose, choose to wear robes over their clothes that hide the shape of their body. At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal choice. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Why do some Muslim women not cover at all? </SPAN><BR><BR>Again, the decision to cover or not is a personal o&shy;ne. Some who don’t cover their hair or expose other parts of their body (or wear tight clothing) argue that modesty is an inner quality that has nothing to do with clothes. Other women argue that the requirements of Islamic dress as stated in the Qur’an and hadith must be adapted for modern times. They say that now, especially in Western countries where so many women don’t cover, practicing Islamic dress draws attention to a woman instead of deflecting attention away. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">What is the penalty for not adhering to Muslim dress? </SPAN><BR><BR>There is no Qur’anic penalty for not adhering to Muslim dress. But some hadiths describe the Prophet Muhammad as saying that if a woman doesn’t follow the rules of Islamic dress, her place in paradise, along with her husband’s, father’s' and sons’ places in paradise, will be jeopardized. And when it comes to the Qur’an, strict Muslims believe that if it’s written in the holy book, it must be followed. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Does it get hot, covering everything up?</SPAN> <BR><BR>Speaking as someone who wears the hijab (though I don’t wear robes over my clothes), it does get hot sometimes, especially o&shy;n a very hot, humid day. I usually feel the heat the most o&shy;n my neck under my scarf. But a person can get used to anything. And I’m so used to wearing long sleeves, long pants, or skirts and a headscarf that I don’t feel the heat as much as when I first starting wearing hijab three years ago. In fact my headscarf and full-coverage clothing often protect me from the sun and make me feel cooler than when I’m at home, wearing whatever I want, and exposed to the heat of summer. And I must say, wearing the headscarf has saved me from many a bad hair day (though that’s not why I wear it!) <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Are there Islamic modesty requirements for men? </SPAN><BR><BR>In Islam, men and women are required to control their desires. They must avoid being alone with members of the opposite sex outside of marriage (or close family). Men are allowed to expose more of their body but are encouraged by Muslim scripture to cover up and avoid tight clothing. During prayer, they must be covered from the naval to their knees. <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Once they put it o&shy;n, do women ever take off the hijab? </SPAN><BR><BR>Yes, some women do take off the hijab for a variety of reasons. Just because a woman decide to adhere to the Islamic dress code for modesty doesn’t mean a she maintains that clothing for the rest her life. This decision to de-jab ( slang for taking off the hijab) often coincides with a a major life change, like moving to a new city. Read this essay from o&shy;ne woman who took off her hijab to learn more. <BR><BR>Dilshad D. Ali is an editor at Beliefnet.com[/i]
aeliya
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salm

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YAm I would like to thank you razinizar for ur kind words and appreciate what you said<BR>actually i planned to leave this community after the unkind answers given by haroon...nobody can hear anything against their own religion<BR>but now&nbsp;i WONT.....and would look forward to share and learn things.....as Hazarat Ali himself said spread knowledge<BR><BR>the article of khamerali o&shy;n hijab o&shy;n current issue<BR><BR>the article given&nbsp;there reveals true meaning of hijab n the related questions now i thing things get clear<BR>Razinazir its true there is no connection of zahir and batin with hijab...n i do appreciate ur point of views also<BR>the article&nbsp; is given by a ismaili o&shy;nly and this is discussed in THE CURRENT ISSSUE UNDER HIJAB by khamerali<<BR><BR><BR>As far as my spelling are concerned...its the computer short cuts language more spoken by youngsters...so there is no issue...if still u find them...u r keen enough to understand wht i wanna say...and if u dont then its ur problem<BR>...rather dont degrade anyone n their faith n religion<BR>the whole thing lies is that <BR>our act should b pleasing to god thats it<BR><BR>Dear Razinizar the major topic going o&shy;n here is o&shy;n hijab the article&nbsp; would make all things clear as it is also given or issued by an ismaili o&shy;nly<BR>and then luk forward to discuss more<BR><BR>thank you o&shy;nce again<BR>
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Re: Salam

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I think this conversation is going no where. It's simply because you just confirmed your belief, by saying
aeliya wrote: "firstly we need to know wht is hijab... then the answer of our question will b automatically known "
So, I don't know what else is your un-answered question?

As far as unkind answer goes....Truth is most of the time bitter, and only those who can digest it takes benifit from it. I didn't give you my point of view to make you feel better or hurt your feelings.
aeliya wrote: as far as my spellings are concered.this is simple computer language spoken max among youngsters.....
so there is no issue on that part
Spelling/typo errors...It's not an issue. Correct! but it was just another advise for you to keep it in the back of your mind. Now you maybe a yongster, but one day you'll grow up. It's just a good excercise. Don't get offended by that.

aeliya wrote: i seriouslly planned to leave this community as no one would be ready to listen anything against their own religion...
No one's begging you to stay or leave. If you want to come back; by all means, do so. And if you decided not to, by all means too.

aeliya wrote: and now MR HAROON wht do u say about hijab now..,,,
I say what I said before: It depends on your interpretation of Hijab. It doesn't simply change your belief in any ways. Period. You want to cover your face. Fine. You don't want to cover your face, fine too. Shouldn't mix "how to dress" with your beliefs.

And by the way, you mentioned that:
aeliya wrote: ..believe me a persons personality is shown through his zahir only somehow his zahir showcases him batin..
You are actually pre-judging someone the way s/he dresses. Explore prejudice, and try to not excercise it.
aeliya wrote: i have simpy copied them down and appreciate any views........
BTW, the way you copied, its very un-readable. Just another tip to keep you on your tipie toes.
aeliya wrote: dont degrage my faith and my religion MR haroon ADEl
What do you mean by "degrage"!!?? Did you mean "degrade"?

If so, then, I want you to get it right this time.

No one is humaliating anyone anywhere. It's that person who humiliates himself/herself, by doing and or saying something.

Best of luck.
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Re: salm

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razinizar
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Post by razinizar »

Dear Aliya
Like I said, In Quran Allah doesn't Specify any dress code for Females but certainly it gives the message about proper clothing.
In short i would like to share my understanding after Analyzing all the things. In my Opinion, Women should wear a type of Cloth in which she shouldn't be teased. If she feel comfortable in Hejeb, we shouldn't force them not to wear it but if she doesn't feel comfortable in Hejab rather to wear a Normal and simple clothes other than hejab in that case she shouldn't force them to wear hejab(Forcing is not a part of our faith). In Islam, we shouldn't wear kinds of cloths that intend to expose woman body, we should be intelligent enough to choose the type of cloth that intended to cover the major area "intension" is the key. woman shouldn't intentionally be exposed them to the other people around them.Woman should be intelligent enough to understand to chose the type of cloths that she knows that they won't be teased by it and doesn't get the victim of Buri Nazar.

Other thing I would like to mention, There are many different Interpretations and different sects within the same religion. If woman is born under a interpretation, In which the Hejab is the core part of there faith, then it will become the part of her faith. which will be the Farz for her in that context.

In Short. The FARZ of mine is not the FARZ of yours, and the FARZ of yours is not the FARZ of mine. Your Path is your path, My Path is my Path. but destiny remains always the Same. We Belong to God and to him we are returning.


Well thats how i understand it.

Regards
Razi
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