Kiriya kaaran ahonisha

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adnan.ali
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Kiriya kaaran ahonisha

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Kiriyaa kaarann ahonish jaago te man chevaa kholo ...bhaai hotaa 1

Waken day and night to perform meritorious deeds (kriya)!
Then play to your heart’s content
O Brother, so be it.

Shaah sarannaa sidhak patiyanna tri raahaa fari var diyaa ...bhaai hotaa 2

With unbending trust, take refuge in the Shah
Traversing the three paths, he has given blessings.
O Brother, so be it.

Sur tentris sun sadaa rang liyannaa paacham me purakh upanaa ...bhaai hotaa 3

Thirty Three crore gods (sur) enjoyed that lasting pleasure,
Then man (purusa) was created.
O Brother, so be it.

The following translations are as done by Tazzim Kassam in the book "The songs of wisdom and the circle of Dance".

What are those three paths?

The 33 gods mentioned can be taken as 33 souls (but Tazzim Kassam interprets them to be separate entites). If they are the souls which got salvation in all 4 jugs, then does these souls were persent before the creation of first being? Please comment o­n it.
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Re: Kiriya kaaran ahonisha

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adnan.ali wrote:Kiriyaa kaarann ahonish jaago te man chevaa kholo ...bhaai hotaa 1

Waken day and night to perform meritorious deeds (kriya)!
Then play to your heart’s content
O Brother, so be it.

Shaah sarannaa sidhak patiyanna tri raahaa fari var diyaa ...bhaai hotaa 2

With unbending trust, take refuge in the Shah
Traversing the three paths, he has given blessings.
O Brother, so be it.

Sur tentris sun sadaa rang liyannaa paacham me purakh upanaa ...bhaai hotaa 3

Thirty Three crore gods (sur) enjoyed that lasting pleasure,
Then man (purusa) was created.
O Brother, so be it.

The following translations are as done by Tazzim Kassam in the book "The songs of wisdom and the circle of Dance".

What are those three paths?

The 33 gods mentioned can be taken as 33 souls (but Tazzim Kassam interprets them to be separate entites). If they are the souls which got salvation in all 4 jugs, then does these souls were persent before the creation of first being? Please comment o­n it.
Tentris Krore Devta - 33 Crore Jeevs that got salvation in the first 3 jugs and upto PIR SADARDEEN.

The rest of us are in the Anant Karod - beholden to Pir Hasan Qabirdeen for getting us to salvation.
Let us not forget to fast on Shukarwari Beej.

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adnan.ali
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Post by adnan.ali »

My question is were these souls present before creation of man? If yes, why does the souls that would get salvation in the final age are not included in these 33 crore. I think the 33 devtas mentioned in ginans might be different from 33 crore souls mentioned in ginan.

Secondly do any body know what are those three paths mentioned in above ginan?
kmaherali
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Re: Kiriya kaaran ahonisha

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adnan.ali wrote:What are those three paths?

The 33 gods mentioned can be taken as 33 souls (but Tazzim Kassam interprets them to be separate entites). If they are the souls which got salvation in all 4 jugs, then does these souls were persent before the creation of first being? Please comment o­n it.
The three paths signifies creation in it's totality and universality with respect to space and time. The Lord traversing the three paths implies that he has knowledge of everything in all realms.

In the traditional metaphysics, creation was construed as being the triad of the undersurface, the physical world and the heavens.

It can also mean the past, the present and the future.

It can mean the physical, the mental and the spiritual world if considered from the personal level of each individual; or the conscious, the unconscious and the supra conscious.

It can also mean the physical, the astral and the causal world.

It all depends on how one views the creation.

In this case the 33 crore gods is symbolic of angelic beings. The 33 crores that were saved became angels and hence the correspondance...
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