As per the Bible, while on the cross, Jesus cried out, "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachtani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?".
Now replace Eli with Ali.
Who did Jesus call out while on the cross?
Re: Who did Jesus call out while on the cross?
Now as per the Quran, Jesus was never crucified.searcher wrote:As per the Bible, while on the cross, Jesus cried out, "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachtani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?".
Now replace Eli with Ali.
Shams
Thought this was interesting actually:
http://wahiduddin.net/words/forsaken.htm
I'm not an expert in Aramaic (the language of Jesus) but it seems as if there is some possibility that he was actually saying "God, God (or Ali Ali) why have you spared me?" rather than "forsaken" which would support the Muslim view that he was never crucified in the first place. And that Allah, in his mercy, spared him from crucifixion by the Romans.
Adil
http://wahiduddin.net/words/forsaken.htm
I'm not an expert in Aramaic (the language of Jesus) but it seems as if there is some possibility that he was actually saying "God, God (or Ali Ali) why have you spared me?" rather than "forsaken" which would support the Muslim view that he was never crucified in the first place. And that Allah, in his mercy, spared him from crucifixion by the Romans.
Adil
This issue has been debated before under:
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That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Sura An-Nisa; 4:157)
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise (Sura An-Nia; 4:158)
The following is my interpretation of the above two ayats. The fact that it is mentioned: "but so it was made to appear to them" implies there was an appearance of this fact. Many Christian mystics have had visions of the crucifixtion of Isa Nabi. So I believe that this event did take place.
However, the second verse states that Isa Nabi was really united with God. According to our Ginans, there is no death for such a soul anymore, i.e. it is immortal beyond death. In Ginan "Kal Pat Jal Pat" Peer Hassan Kabirdeen says: " Nisi jal hove ta kuchh kaal na aave" - meaning: If one has attained purity (through enlightenment), he/she is not affected by time or death.
Hence in reality he was not crucified or killed, rather, that event was a means towards his ultimate unity with God.
Chapter 39 of the 'Autobiography of a Yogi' gives the most striking evidence of the crucifixion through the stigmata experiences of Saint Therese Neumann. The entire chapter can be accessed at the link:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap39.html
The following are the highlights:
Years earlier I had read an amazing account of Therese. Information given in the article was as follows:
(1) Therese, born in 1898, had been injured in an accident at the age of twenty; she became blind and paralyzed.
(2) She miraculously regained her sight in 1923 through prayers to St. Teresa, "The Little Flower." Later Therese Neumann's limbs were instantaneously healed.
(3) From 1923 onward, Therese has abstained completely from food and drink, except for the daily swallowing of one small consecrated wafer.
(4) The stigmata, or sacred wounds of Christ, appeared in 1926 on Therese's head, breast, hands, and feet. On Friday of every week thereafter, she has passed through the Passion of Christ, suffering in her own body all his historic agonies.
(5) Knowing ordinarily only the simple German of her village, during her Friday trances Therese utters phrases which scholars have identified as ancient Aramaic. At appropriate times in her vision, she speaks Hebrew or Greek.
(6) By ecclesiastical permission, Therese has several times been under close scientific observation. Dr. Fritz Gerlick, editor of a Protestant German newspaper, went to Konnersreuth to "expose the Catholic fraud," but ended up by reverently writing her biography. 2
Current Issues --> Christianity
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Sura An-Nisa; 4:157)
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise (Sura An-Nia; 4:158)
The following is my interpretation of the above two ayats. The fact that it is mentioned: "but so it was made to appear to them" implies there was an appearance of this fact. Many Christian mystics have had visions of the crucifixtion of Isa Nabi. So I believe that this event did take place.
However, the second verse states that Isa Nabi was really united with God. According to our Ginans, there is no death for such a soul anymore, i.e. it is immortal beyond death. In Ginan "Kal Pat Jal Pat" Peer Hassan Kabirdeen says: " Nisi jal hove ta kuchh kaal na aave" - meaning: If one has attained purity (through enlightenment), he/she is not affected by time or death.
Hence in reality he was not crucified or killed, rather, that event was a means towards his ultimate unity with God.
Chapter 39 of the 'Autobiography of a Yogi' gives the most striking evidence of the crucifixion through the stigmata experiences of Saint Therese Neumann. The entire chapter can be accessed at the link:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap39.html
The following are the highlights:
Years earlier I had read an amazing account of Therese. Information given in the article was as follows:
(1) Therese, born in 1898, had been injured in an accident at the age of twenty; she became blind and paralyzed.
(2) She miraculously regained her sight in 1923 through prayers to St. Teresa, "The Little Flower." Later Therese Neumann's limbs were instantaneously healed.
(3) From 1923 onward, Therese has abstained completely from food and drink, except for the daily swallowing of one small consecrated wafer.
(4) The stigmata, or sacred wounds of Christ, appeared in 1926 on Therese's head, breast, hands, and feet. On Friday of every week thereafter, she has passed through the Passion of Christ, suffering in her own body all his historic agonies.
(5) Knowing ordinarily only the simple German of her village, during her Friday trances Therese utters phrases which scholars have identified as ancient Aramaic. At appropriate times in her vision, she speaks Hebrew or Greek.
(6) By ecclesiastical permission, Therese has several times been under close scientific observation. Dr. Fritz Gerlick, editor of a Protestant German newspaper, went to Konnersreuth to "expose the Catholic fraud," but ended up by reverently writing her biography. 2
<P>So for anyone who is interested, you i'm sure know that there are several translations of the Bible. There is the King James, which is translated from the Greek "Textus Receptus". There are also Latin translations, and in importance to this topic, there is the translation coming out of the Aramaic Peshitta. Jesus did not speak Greek, but rather Aramaic. <BR><BR>According to the Aramaic, Matthew 27:46 reads as follow: "And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, Eli, Eli, lemana shabakthani! My God, My God, for this I was spared." A footnote adds, "This was my destiny." (Lamsa translation)<BR><BR>In not o­nly the KJV, but many other versions, Jesus despairs that God abandoned Him. The question that we can ask here, of course, is if God ever abandons the righteous. And as Jesus said in John 16:32, "and yet I am never alone because the Father is with me." <BR><BR>Not o­nly that verse, but many other verses have similar discrepancies. Now I would hold that this is due to errors in translation from Aramaic to Greek/Latin to English. Significant?<BR></P>