I was wondering why we don't have access to recent Farmans of Hazar Imam, why do they not come out in prints anymore? How are we supposed to follow them if we cannot read them at our homes?
I was also wondering why we don't have access to recent waez, why do they not come out in tapes? Why is the Tariqah board not releasing these things?
Tariqah Board
This is what the Ismaili Constitution says:
8.4 Each Tariqah Religious Education Board shall, under the direction and guidance Mawlana Hazar Imam:
(c) engage in or support research in the relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah;
(d) undertake publication of book and materials on relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah;
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To be honest, I have not seen ITREB doing any of these since this Ismaili Constitution was signed by Hazar Imam in Aiglemont in 1986 and then re-affirmed in Lisbon in 1998.
They have left that to the IIS whose mandate is secular and educational more then "Dini" as we have been left to believe. IIS brings out some material that ITREB implement, sell and publicises but ITREB by itself is not "publishing or support research in the relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah."
I would love to be proved wrong on this, honest!
In the past, the Ismailia Associations used to do that.
Nagib
8.4 Each Tariqah Religious Education Board shall, under the direction and guidance Mawlana Hazar Imam:
(c) engage in or support research in the relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah;
(d) undertake publication of book and materials on relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah;
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To be honest, I have not seen ITREB doing any of these since this Ismaili Constitution was signed by Hazar Imam in Aiglemont in 1986 and then re-affirmed in Lisbon in 1998.
They have left that to the IIS whose mandate is secular and educational more then "Dini" as we have been left to believe. IIS brings out some material that ITREB implement, sell and publicises but ITREB by itself is not "publishing or support research in the relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah."
I would love to be proved wrong on this, honest!
In the past, the Ismailia Associations used to do that.
Nagib
Tariqa and Haqiqa
Ya Aly Madad Nagib,
I think Tariqa is about understanding sharia with the intellect.
Farmans are Noor and they have to do with Haqiqat and Marifat. Hope you now understand why Tariqa board doesnt publish about Haqiqat and Marifat, it is way above their understanding to do so.
They do a marvelous job with sharia and tariqa and that is their role the way I see it.
To the Tariqa board the relevant aspects of Islam and Ismaili Tariqa will obviously be upto the level of Tariqat.
You see the name was changed from recreation club (Akhirat club in my mind) to Ismailia Association (Association with the Imam of Ismailies in my mind) and then to Tariqa Board (limited to tariqat in my mind).
So Nagib keep up the good work.
Shams
I think Tariqa is about understanding sharia with the intellect.
Farmans are Noor and they have to do with Haqiqat and Marifat. Hope you now understand why Tariqa board doesnt publish about Haqiqat and Marifat, it is way above their understanding to do so.
They do a marvelous job with sharia and tariqa and that is their role the way I see it.
To the Tariqa board the relevant aspects of Islam and Ismaili Tariqa will obviously be upto the level of Tariqat.
You see the name was changed from recreation club (Akhirat club in my mind) to Ismailia Association (Association with the Imam of Ismailies in my mind) and then to Tariqa Board (limited to tariqat in my mind).
So Nagib keep up the good work.
Shams
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Ya Ali Madad
Shamsu I do not agree with you on this.I think nagib is right.He or she is right when said They have left that to the IIS whose mandate is secular and educational more then "Dini" as we have been left to believe. IIS brings out some material that ITREB implement, sell and publicises but ITREB by itself is not "publishing or support research in the relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah."
Shamsu I do not agree with you on this.I think nagib is right.He or she is right when said They have left that to the IIS whose mandate is secular and educational more then "Dini" as we have been left to believe. IIS brings out some material that ITREB implement, sell and publicises but ITREB by itself is not "publishing or support research in the relevant aspects of Islam and the Ismaili Tariqah."
relevant aspect
You see "relevant aspect" is a very broad term and open to interpretation Nagib is correct in what he has said I agree with that.
I think if we wait for Tariqa board to start acting like a haqiqa board or a marifati board we will be waiting forever.
Those who are interested in Farmans should go ahead and seek out the sources and those with the means should proceed with whatever means they can to increase their knowledge and of the Jamat like Heritage Society has done.
Lets go back in our history
Abu Bakar, Umar, Usman
you saw what happened when they were in charge of Islam.
The Momins were the ones that did not wait for usman to publish the Quran. They memorized the real Quran.
Similarly we should memorize the Farmans from whatever source we can get our hands on. If we wait for Tariqa board then we will have an endless wait.
Thats the point I am trying to make here.
Shams
I think if we wait for Tariqa board to start acting like a haqiqa board or a marifati board we will be waiting forever.
Those who are interested in Farmans should go ahead and seek out the sources and those with the means should proceed with whatever means they can to increase their knowledge and of the Jamat like Heritage Society has done.
Lets go back in our history
Abu Bakar, Umar, Usman
you saw what happened when they were in charge of Islam.
The Momins were the ones that did not wait for usman to publish the Quran. They memorized the real Quran.
Similarly we should memorize the Farmans from whatever source we can get our hands on. If we wait for Tariqa board then we will have an endless wait.
Thats the point I am trying to make here.
Shams
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YAM,
I am hearing from several sources that an "official" print of the Farman will be sold "officially" by the "Official" ITREB people to the Jamat.
The book is supposed to have 200 pages and will cost arround $12 and will cover 1988 to 2002. The Book will have a white cover and possibly the monogramme of the Imam. Maybe a gold border will also be added.
Nothing wrong with that... except:
The Farmans will be censured, filtered, sanitised before print. Half of the Farmans made during that period will not be made available including any Farman made in French.
For information, if you ask why only Farmans made after 1988? the reply is very simple, that's the date when we stopped receiving exact transcripts from our leadership and that's the date when Farmans started to be heavily censured and corrected.
Why are they corrected? "because Hazar Imam thinks in French and speaks in English...". So why aren't His French Farmans released? "Because he makes them in a coloquial French".
.. at least this is the "Official" position, I believe.
By the way, would you like to learn colloquial French? go to http://wy.essortment.com/learnspeakfren_rtdw.htm
They have good example of colloquial French and believe me, this is not how Hazar Imam talks.
But maybe He talks "colloquial Swahilli", I remember Himusing words like "totos" for "kids"
Nagib
I am hearing from several sources that an "official" print of the Farman will be sold "officially" by the "Official" ITREB people to the Jamat.
The book is supposed to have 200 pages and will cost arround $12 and will cover 1988 to 2002. The Book will have a white cover and possibly the monogramme of the Imam. Maybe a gold border will also be added.
Nothing wrong with that... except:
The Farmans will be censured, filtered, sanitised before print. Half of the Farmans made during that period will not be made available including any Farman made in French.
For information, if you ask why only Farmans made after 1988? the reply is very simple, that's the date when we stopped receiving exact transcripts from our leadership and that's the date when Farmans started to be heavily censured and corrected.
Why are they corrected? "because Hazar Imam thinks in French and speaks in English...". So why aren't His French Farmans released? "Because he makes them in a coloquial French".
.. at least this is the "Official" position, I believe.
By the way, would you like to learn colloquial French? go to http://wy.essortment.com/learnspeakfren_rtdw.htm
They have good example of colloquial French and believe me, this is not how Hazar Imam talks.
But maybe He talks "colloquial Swahilli", I remember Himusing words like "totos" for "kids"
NagibFARMAN IS NOOR
Farman is Noor now what happens when u change anything in a farman does is still stay Noor ?
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Who has given right to tariqa board to make changings in the word of Imam and Pir.Do this institution thinks it is more intelligent than God or whats the problem with it?? Why ismaili jamat is so silent on this issue Why Imam is not saying them not to do that. If tariqa board changes the word of Imam and Pir and say its Farman or Ginan of Imam and Pir than tariqa board is CHEATING the jamat.
See the present night school books.They are colorful,attractive but what about religious knowledge???? Is it enough to guide children correct concepts and basic things about Ismailism????
See the present night school books.They are colorful,attractive but what about religious knowledge???? Is it enough to guide children correct concepts and basic things about Ismailism????
Tariqa board
Munir I used to think like that too but later it became clear that not all people whose names are in Ismaili Faith are Ismailies.
The institution is Imams so we can not say anything critical to the institution.
If you believe the work in the institution is happening according to mowlas wish then we just watch and learn who it is that mowla really wants to guide.
If the entire jamat is misled then it is because they dont care about their faith, because from where I am watching this go down, the ones who really love the imam are getting the guidance and the farmans.
If most of the jamat has not bothered to obtain the guidance because they are under the spell of materialism how can we blame the leaders or the institutions.
Our Imams have been guiding us inperson for over 150 years now and we have ignored the guidance so he is taking it away. Thats all there is to it.
Watch as the mijlases go away and the kriyas start to diminish. The jamat has no clue what niyadj really is. I will not be surprised if that also is taken away. Same thing with cchatas.
In the Quran it is stated I believe that Na shukri causes Allah to take away the blessings.
Now show me in what way has the jamat shown shukarguzari for Imams Guidance in the last 50 years.
How many Ismailies drink and smoke
How many Ismailies tell lies
How many Ismailies cheat
How many Ismailies say dua regularly and give dasond .
SO you see this whole mess is the consequence of our own collective misbehavior and nafarmani, The institutions are just doing whatever they can to prevent the mess but what is done, is done and cannot be undone
so let's focus on joining our forces to avoid as much as we can of this inevitable mess thats going to be in our faces in the next 25 years
Shams
The institution is Imams so we can not say anything critical to the institution.
If you believe the work in the institution is happening according to mowlas wish then we just watch and learn who it is that mowla really wants to guide.
If the entire jamat is misled then it is because they dont care about their faith, because from where I am watching this go down, the ones who really love the imam are getting the guidance and the farmans.
If most of the jamat has not bothered to obtain the guidance because they are under the spell of materialism how can we blame the leaders or the institutions.
Our Imams have been guiding us inperson for over 150 years now and we have ignored the guidance so he is taking it away. Thats all there is to it.
Watch as the mijlases go away and the kriyas start to diminish. The jamat has no clue what niyadj really is. I will not be surprised if that also is taken away. Same thing with cchatas.
In the Quran it is stated I believe that Na shukri causes Allah to take away the blessings.
Now show me in what way has the jamat shown shukarguzari for Imams Guidance in the last 50 years.
How many Ismailies drink and smoke
How many Ismailies tell lies
How many Ismailies cheat
How many Ismailies say dua regularly and give dasond .
SO you see this whole mess is the consequence of our own collective misbehavior and nafarmani, The institutions are just doing whatever they can to prevent the mess but what is done, is done and cannot be undone
so let's focus on joining our forces to avoid as much as we can of this inevitable mess thats going to be in our faces in the next 25 years
Shams
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