Re: Imam Aga Hasan Ali Shah (swt) and hunting.

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Re: Imam Aga Hasan Ali Shah (swt) and hunting.

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YAM,

I've heard this from a couple of people but need further details.

While Imam Aga Hasan Ali Shah (swt) be out hunting, various types of animals would voluntarily come and lay down at His feet. He would then proceed to shoot them and thus freeing their souls so that they could go on to take higher forms of life.

Need someone to shed some light on this. Thanks!
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Post by kmaherali »

It is quite plausible. There is a Ginan "TEEAA(N) GURE GINAAN KAREAA" by Pir Shamsh which gives an anecdote of wild animals bowing to the Pir and offering dasond to him. Here it is:

TEEAA(N) GURE GINAAN KAREAA - PEER SHAMSH
ejee teeaa(n) gure ginaan kareaa, ane kabutar kare bahu kodd;
gur am ne evo vataavajo, jaa(n) thee padde jeev nee suj...........1

There the Guide spread the teaching, and the pigeons were filled with great eagerness. 'O Guide, instruct us in the way through which awareness is granted to the soul.'

ejee peer shamas sat-gur nur chhe, ane neem paayo neeradhaar;
paarelaa paa(n)e laagee karee, ane bahu kare aradaas..............2

Peer Shams is the True Guide and the Light, and they received the rule from him forthwith. The doves fell at his feet, and offered many prayers.

ejee ek pagale teeaa(n) ubhaa raheaa, ane maleaa bahu tthaatth;
aasees aalee karee, gure dekhaaddee vaatt.........................3

They remained standing there upon one leg, joined in splendid array. Bestowing his blessings upon them, the Guide showed them the Way.

ejee kotharee kaa(n)dhe baa(n)dheaa, ane gure bataaveo bhed;
daso(n)d nu(n) daan dejo, to paap tamaaraa jaae chhed.............4

Humbly they tied bags on their shoulders, and the Guide told them the secret: 'If you give the offering of the tithe, your sins will be destroyed.

ejee nav paa(n)tee tamaaro bheerakh chhe, ane dasamo amaaro bhaag;
te tame raakhajo, je chhe amaaro laag.............................5

'Nine parts are for you to consume, and the tenth is our portion. Keep this carefully, for it is our due.'

ejee alap jeev aaraadheaa, valee kotharee laee raakhee kaa(n)dh;
teeaan jaaee so(n)pajo, jeeaa(n) padde tam ne saa(n)j.............6

The little creatures worshipped him, then took up their bags around their necks. 'Go there and hand it over, and you will be granted awareness there.'

ejee peere pharamaan aaleaa, ane vimaras surabhaan saath;
eeaa(n) thee peer chaaleaa, aaveaa ujadd vaatt....................7

The Peer issued his commands, having Vimras and Surbhan with him. The Peer left this place, and came on to a deserted path.

ejee maalavaa madhe aveaa, ane jeeaa(n) chhe vaagh no vevaar;
vaaghe aavee ru(n)dheeaa, am ne maa(n)s aalo saar.................8

He arrived in Malwa, where there was much traffic of tigers. A tiger came and stood in his path, saying: 'Give me a good piece of meat.'

ejee sat-gur shamas ochareaa, ane tame chho van naa raae;
am ne melo vaatte jaaee-e, pachhe tame van maa(n) jaav............9

The True Guide said: 'You are the lord of the forest. Leave me and let me be on my way, then you go back into the forest.'

ejee te same ek gaay aavee, ubhee peer ne paas;
see(n)h boleaa dayaa karee, have hu(n) gaae nu(n) khaau(n) maas..10

At that moment a cow came up and stood beside the Peer. The tiger said: 'If you graciously permit, I shall now eat the cow's flesh.'

ejee sat-gur shamas boleaa, am paase ubhe naam na levaae;
sarann aavee am tanne, tam thee na khaadhee jaae.................11

The True Guide Shams spoke: 'Do not even dare mention the name of the one who stands beside me. She has entered my protection, and is not to be eaten by you.

ejee bhagat ginaan boleaa, ane vaagh saa(n)bhale ekaa(n)t;
vaagh ne imaan aaveaa, taare melee gaae ni vaat..................12

The devotees uttered the teaching, and the tiger listened with close attention. The tiger was filled with faith, and then left the cow alone.

ejee see(n)he daso(n)d paratthee, ane ek van nee mukee vaat;
te van maa(n)he nathee jaataa, na kare utapaat...................13

The tiger contracted to pay the tithe, and it gave up the business of one forest-grove. It would not enter the forest, and did no mischief there.

ejee saavaj ne saan aavee, ane saa(m)bhalee gur naa ginaan;
te vaeeku(n)tth paameaa, aleaa gur-mukhe daan....................14

The tiger became enlightened, after attending to the Guide's teaching. It reached heaven, and made its offerings in the name of the Guide.

ejee sat-gur shamas bodheaa, evaa saavaj pa(n)khee jaann;
aaj gur vachane je chaalase, te thaase sahee niravaann...........15

The True Guide preached in this way to the wild beasts and birds. Those who proceed according to the word of the Guide today will assuredly be saved.

In another Ginan "SAT-GUR NUR NAA VEEVAA" by Pir Hassan Kabirdeen, a deer voluntarily gives away it's flesh at the request of Pir Sat Gur Nur. Here is the entire Ginan which is remarkable.

SAT-GUR NUR NAA VEEVAA
PEER HASAN KABEERDEEN
The Marriage of Nur Satgur


ejee ramataa ramataa prabhu paattann aaveaa,
puraa kaam keedhaa peere re

R: puree baram var ne pujo jee..................................1

As he roamed and wandered, the Lord came to Patan, where the Peer performed great work. R: Worship the Divine Lord, o!
ejee dharam aaleene peer pote padhaareaa,
dhaaraa nagaree maa(n)he dheeaan kevaaeaa re...puree baram......2

After spreading the faith, the Peer himself proceeded. In the city of Dhara he aroused much attention.
ejee sakal gunn pur thee peer pote padhaareaa,
aaveaa te van mi(n)jhaar re.....................................3

Perfect in all his qualities, the Peer himself proceeded, and entered the forest.
ejee van maa(n)he jaaee peere ramataj keedhee
kar pusatak leedhaa muraaree re.................................4

The Peer went into the forest and sauntered there. The Lord had a holy book in his hands.
ejee peer mukh vaannee naa ginaan sunneene,
van naa pa(n)khee sarave moeaa re...............................5

When the teachings that came from the words of the Peer's mouth were heard, the birds in the forest were all fascinated.
ejee pireme te peere van maa(n)he virehe vadhaareaa,
vaagh viru vege aaveaa re.......................................6

Through love for the Peer, with their passion enhanced in the forest, the tigers and wolves came in haste.
ejee raannee paalann de nu(n) varat chhe motto,
harann haathe raa(n)dhee chaakhe re.............................7

Queen Palan De had made a solemn vow, to eat only venison cooked by her hand.
ejee pireme paalann de nee purav nee pireete,
te purann pirem har su(n) raakhe re.............................8

Palan De's love for her Beloved was given from prior time. She had perfect love for God.
ejee shikaaree sodhe harann haath na laage,
eto kaarann sareekhu(n) koik deese re...........................9

Her hunters searched, but could catch no deer. There appeared to be some reason for this.
ejee van maa(n)he puras mone acharat deetthee,
sarave saavaj pa(n)khee naame sees re..........................10

In the forest her man Monu beheld a wonder in silence. All the wild beasts and birds were bowing their heads.
ejee mone shikaaree man maa(n)he vaat veechaaree,
aa puras paraakaramee koek puro re.............................11

Monu the hunter thought to himself: 'This person appears to be some being full of miraculous powers.
ejee nur sat-gur paaraadhee bolaaveeaa,
tame kaame su(n) aaveaa puraa re...............................12

Nur Satgur summoned the hunter.'Have you accomplished your task, then?'
ejee sees namaaveene shikaaree boleaa,
aa puras paraakaaramee koeek deese re..........................13

Bowing his head, the hunter said: 'This person is some being full of miraculous powers.

ejee raannee paalann tenu(n) birad chhe motto,
te ser shikaar aalo harannaa re................................14

'Queen Palan has made a solemn vow, and I need a seer of game.'
ejee nur sat-gure sau ne samajaaveaa,
ser shikaar aalo harannaa re...................................15

Nur Satgur explained this to all:'Give me a seer of game, o deer.'
ejee pa(n)khee saavaj ne saan kevee aavee chhe,
aa maas leeo re muraaree re....................................16

What enlightenment filled the birds and the beasts!'Take this flesh, o Lord.'
ejee jaa(n)g kaapeene aaleeo umede,
sat-gur ne mileaa sanamukh ttole re............................17

He cut its haunch and gave it in good faith. They met the True Guide face to face in joy.
ejee maa(n)s laeene monu turat sadhaareaa,
aaveaa te kaan gaddh ne parole re..............................18

Taking the flesh, Monu immediately departed, and came to the fortress on the borders of the forest.
ejee raannee paalann de daasee mokalaavee,
maas laee aavo daasee re.......................................19

Queen Palan De sent her maid. 'Fetch the meat, o maid!'
ejee maas raa(n)dheene raannee-e haathe su(n) chaakheeaa,
chaakha(n)taa nav na(n)d paameaa re............................20

The Queen cooked the meat and tasted it from her hand. As she tasted it, she experienced the nine delights.
ejee raannee paalann de ne heerakhaj vaadheaa,
eto kaarann treebhovar nu(n) saamee re.........................21

Queen Palan De's love increased. This was all due to the Lord of the three worlds.
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Post by st0necol »

What are the three worlds? I am always confused..

One: This world

Second: The other world

Third ??

I don't know what's the third world? :(
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Post by kmaherali »

st0necol wrote:What are the three worlds?(
The lord of the three worlds signifies creation in it's totality and universality with respect to space and time.

In the traditional metaphysics, creation was construed as being the triad of the undersurface, the physical world and the heavens.

It can also mean the past, the present and the future.

It can mean the physical, the mental and the spiritual world if considered from the personal level of each individual.

It can also mean the physical, the astral and the causal world.

It all depends on how one views the creation.
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Post by st0necol »

Mental world? Isnt this world included in Physical ?
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Post by st0necol »

Do you want to say that Mental World provides a link between our physical & spiritual world?

Without this world, we would not be possible to achieve spiritual success? Is it so?
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Post by kmaherali »

st0necol wrote:Do you want to say that Mental World provides a link between our physical & spiritual world?

Without this world, we would not be possible to achieve spiritual success? Is it so?
Absolutely! Our tradition places an enormous importance on the application of intellect (budhi) - the ability to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong.

One can also view the three worlds as the conscious, the unconscious and the supra conscious.
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