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peace.salam
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Re: good point

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shamsu wrote:Good point about the yogurt.

To continue in the same vein all flowers are the actual organs of reproduction of the plant kingdom are they not?

Shams
That is why I said, its the drinking of any intoxicant or addictive drug is bad. The essence of alcohol is ethanol, and methanol is even poisonous. There are more poisonous things but alcohol is so commonly produced and on the borderline that it was difficult to exclude by human reason so divine injunction/revelation at that time was bestowed. It is exemplary of ALL drugs.

But there are many uses of ethanol in food as a solvent to disperse some flavorings, for example in icecream.

The bottom line is this. Using alcohol as a recreational drink is bad. Some very limited uses for solvent are OK. And, vinegar, the last phase of oxidation (or fermentation) of sugar is good and highly recommended by the Holy Prophet (PBUH). It is good for digestion.
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Post by BUIteacher23 »

I don't drink at all but I tried a couple sips or two of my friends drinks when I was 16 and begged for forgiveness after I found out shortly that it's not allowed in our religion and I now stay far, far away from that stuff. If I go to a bar or club I don't even order a drink, not even a cooler. But a year ago I accidently had cake with alcohol and didn't realize until the next morning what I must have ordered when I was totally hungover :( I laugh about it now but at the time I felt so horrible about it and I begged for forgiveness

but there's something we keep in the medicine cabinet called "araag' for horrible stomach pain. I didn't know until recently that it's alcoholic so does that count as alcohol consumption? or is it ok cause of medicinal purposes? Also perfumes have alcohol in it so is it bad to use perfume also? I'm just wondering about this
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Re: ALCOHOL IS BACTERIA PISS

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shamsu wrote:ALCOHOL IS BACTERIA PISS

What is Alcohol but bacteria excreta.
u take rotten food then u induce better conditions for rotting
the bacteria uses the glucose in the mixture and excretes out alcohol (even the bacteria knows it is bad for the system).
this alcohol is distilled out put in a bottle with shiny labels and sold to people who pay hard earned money to consume this excreta.

My question is would you drink human urine if it was put in nice shiny bottles and everyone drank it on social occasions.

If you would not drink human urine why drink bacteria urine?

And this bacteria excreta is neurotoxic.
30,000 brain cells die with one drink.

IN CONCLUSION
Anyone who drinks is advertizing his STUPIDITY and his desire to become even STUPIDER with each additional drink.


Dont get me started on smoking......


Shams
Good one. This was the most funniest and truthful answer. Bravo lol
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Our belief is that the thing which separates man from the animals is his power of thought. Anything that impedes this process is wrong. Therefore alcohol is forbidden. http://www.ismaili.net/intervue/651212.htm

Aga Khan IV
Sunday Times interview 12 Dec. 1965
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Alcohol Hadiths (Al-Hurr Al-‘Amili. Wasa’il ash-Shi’a 25:296-397)

Imam as-Sadiq said: “No Prophet was raised at all except that Allah taught him that, once he has perfected his faith, that alcohol is forbidden. Alcohol has never, ever ceased to be forbidden.” (296)

Imam al-Baqir said: “The drinker of alcohol will appear on the Day of Judgment with his face blackened, his tongue hanging out, screaming ‘The thirst, the thirst!’” (297)

Imam as-Sadiq said: “Whoever drinks a thimble full of hunger Allah curses him and the angels and the prophets and the believers. If he drinks until he is drunk, the spirit of faith is torn away from him.” (297)

The Prophet said: “Whoever drinks alcohol until he is drunk, his prayers will not be accepted for forty days.” (298)

Imam as-Sadiq said: “Three will never enter paradise. The one who sheds blood, the one who drinks alcohol, and the talebearer.” (305)

From Imam as-Sadiq “Nobody disobeys Allah more then the one who drinks alcohol.”

A man asked Imam as-Sadiq: “Which is worse, drinking alcohol or abandoning the prayer?” The Imam said: “Drinking. Do you know why?” The man said no. The Imam said: “Because he will enter a state in which he cannot know his Lord.” (313-314)

From Imam as-Sadiq: “Indeed, Allah has made a house for disobedience, and has made for this house a door, and has made for this door a lock, and has made for this door a key. And the key to the house of disobedience is drinking alcohol.” (313-314)

Imam as-Sadiq said: “Alcohol is the lord of all sin.” (315)

Imam as-Sadiq said: “Drinking alcohol is the key to every sin.” (315)

It was said to Imam Ali: “You claim that drinking is worse than adultery and theft.” The Imam said: “Yes, because a person who commits adultery will probably not do anything but that, but the person who drinks will commit adultery and will steal and will kill a soul that Allah has made sacred, and will abandon the prayer.” (316)

Imam as-Sadiq said: “Alcohol is the key that opens every evil.” (316)

An atheist said to Imam as-Sadiq: “Why does Allah forbid alcohol?” The Imam said: “Because alcohol is the mother of everything evil.” (317)
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Post by karimqazi »

Ya Ali Madad to all,

My son needs specific farman of hazir imam on the issue of drinking. His friends are not agreeing with him that it is against our religion and and against farman. His friends believe that farmans change over time and they do not believe what my son is saying, they want proof. Can anyone quote a specific farman so he can prove that alcohol is forbidden?

Please help Thanks

May Mowla Bless You All
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Post by ShamsB »

Karim

There are a number of farmans MHI has made in the 60s talking about smoking and alcohol.

Shams.
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No.107

You have two terrible enemies who approach you as friends but they are the most false friends that man ever had. Most dangerous of man’s enemy: alcohol. Then indeed your future survival will never be the one that I wish for you, namely faith, health, happiness and wealth. Alcohol is dangerous because it does not come to you as an enemy but it approaches you as a friend. When you are tired or depressed or you have troubles, one little help from alcohol and for the time being you are saved; but that saving is the greatest and most dangerous of all pitfalls. If and when you feel depressed or tired, turn to your spiritual life; your spiritual life will help you through everything; turn to Prayers but not to the poison of alcohol. As all honest doctors will tell you alcohol is a poison. If you take a great deal of it, it will kill you quickly, if you take little of it, it will also kill you surely but more slowly. But whatever you do, it will kill your body, but also more than your body it will kill your soul.

The other danger of course is tobacco…You have no need of it, it is a bad habit. Just as scratching your body is a bad habit, just as putting on more clothes than is necessary in order to keep warm is a bad habit, tobacco is noting but a bad habit and why becomes slaves of bad habits; do not be the slaves of evil ones but of good ones.

I pray that you may carry out the guidance of which I am giving you. If you have had the misfortune to have established friendly relations with that enemy of alcohol and with the bad habit of smoking, then try and reduce these. If you have enough of Allah’s grace to be able to break off with them altogether, do so; if you have not that grace, then reduce first to half, then to quarter then altogether; and those who have not become the slaves of those two horrible enemies must make up their minds not to follow them. (Precious Pearls)
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Alcohol risks veiled by 'propaganda coup'

Sharon Kirkey
CanWest News Service


Friday, December 21, 2007


All it takes is a few drinks and ordinary, peaceful Canadians are willing to give electric shocks to strangers who annoy them.

In one of the darker sides of alcohol, lost in the mantra that moderate drinking wards off an early cardiac death, scientists at Toronto's Centre for Addiction and Mental Health say experimental evidence shows that alcohol in low doses makes people more prone to deliver an electric shock -- a pretend one -- to someone in a neighbouring lab room.

It is not something the beer and wine industry is likely to heartily endorse. Neither is the fact that, as our per capita consumption of alcohol increases, so too will our suicide and homicide rates; or that booze is implicated in about half of all fatal car crashes; that it can leave people disfigured from lip and mouth cancer; that it increases the risk of a fatal, hemorrhagic stroke or that it can kill or cause disease or injury in 49 other ways.

Experts say the flurry of headlines on the purported health benefits of "moderate" drinking has been a coup for the industry and led growing numbers of Canadians to think that if one drink is good, three or four is better.

While some laboratory and biological evidence exists that, in principle, alcohol might have some health benefits, it's not clear in practice how substantial that benefit is, given the way Canadians currently drink, says Dr. Jurgen Rehm, a senior scientist with the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health.

Nearly one in five current drinkers in Canada engages in "hazardous drinking" meaning five or more drinks on a single occasion, at least monthly. And 24 per cent of drinkers confess their drinking has caused harm to themselves or to others.

Researchers say many studies that suggest moderate drinking can extend life are flawed in fundamental ways, lumping former heavy drinkers with health problems, for example, into the "abstainers" group, or ignoring the fact that moderate drinkers tend to be moderate people in lots of other ways.

They're more likely to exercise, eat their vegetables and cut the fat off their bacon, says Tim Stockwell, of the Centre for Addiction Research of B.C. In other words, "moderate drinking is a sign of good health, not a cause of good health."

A recently published study in Australia that controlled for occasional drinking and ex-drinkers found that "the effects vanished for men," Stockwell says. "They mostly vanished for women, although apparently wine-drinking women appear to get some benefits."

It's likely because of the way women drink, he says. Women tend to drink a little and often, which isn't true for men.

"Some studies have suggested that the maximum benefit is half a drink a day for women, and one or one and a half a day for men," says Stockwell.

"People don't hear that. (What they hear) instead is that glugging a bottle or two of red wine at a sitting is probably good for you. And that's a huge propaganda coup for the people making this stuff."

Rehm says most people assume alcoholics are the only ones courting long-term hazards. But 40 per cent of all alcohol-related deaths occur in people who do not qualify as alcoholic.

"There's a lot of risk in alcohol that has nothing to do with being alcohol dependent or qualifying as an alcohol abuser or alcohol psychosis. Those are people like you and me."

For women, an increased risk of breast cancer kicks in at "very low levels" of drinking, Rehm says. One drink a day increases the risk by 10 per cent.

The United Nations' National Agency for Research on Cancer has also implicated alcohol to cancers of the larynx, pharynx, esophagus, liver, colon and rectum.

Alcohol dulls, alters and damages the nerve cells in the brain and long-term use can end in permanent brain damage.

Cirrhosis, irreversible destruction of liver cells that was once only seen in old men, is growing in people aged 25 to 34. And scientists warned in the British Medical Journal last month of a new phenomenon among women binge-drinkers: ruptured bladders.

"There are about 50 different ways alcohol kills, injures or sickens people and each of them is going up," Stockwell says, from birth defects and road traumas to injuries in the workplace.

"It's our favourite drug and we all love it. I like drinking. The sad fact is that the more availability there is, lots of us drink more than we should and put ourselves at risk."

© The Calgary Herald 2007
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December 29, 2007
Op-Ed Contributor
The Hangover That Lasts
By PAUL STEINBERG
WASHINGTON

NEW Year’s Eve tends to be the day of the year with the most binge drinking (based on drunken driving fatalities), followed closely by Super Bowl Sunday. Likewise, colleges have come to expect that the most alcohol-filled day of their students’ lives is their 21st birthday. So, some words of caution for those who continue to binge and even for those who have stopped: just as the news is not so great for former cigarette smokers, there is equally bad news for recovering binge-drinkers who have achieved a sobriety that has lasted years. The more we have binged — and the younger we have started to binge — the more we experience significant, though often subtle, effects on the brain and cognition.

Much of the evidence for the impact of frequent binge-drinking comes from some simple but elegant studies done on lab rats by Fulton T. Crews and his former student Jennifer Obernier. Dr. Crews, the director of the University of North Carolina Bowles Center for Alcohol Studies, and Dr. Obernier have shown that after a longstanding abstinence following heavy binge-drinking, adult rats can learn effectively — but they cannot relearn.

When put into a tub of water and forced to continue swimming until they find a platform on which to stand, the sober former binge-drinking rats and the normal control rats (who had never been exposed to alcohol) learned how to find the platform equally well. But when the experimenters abruptly moved the platform, the two groups of rats had remarkably different performances. The rats without previous exposure to alcohol, after some brief circling, were able to find the new location. The former binge-drinking rats, however, were unable to find the new platform; they became confused and kept circling the site of the old platform.

This circling occurs, Dr. Crews says, because the former binge-drinking rats continued to show neurotoxicity in the hippocampus long after (in rat years) becoming sober. On a microscopic level, Dr. Crews has shown that heavy binge-drinking in rats diminishes the genesis of nerve cells, shrinks the development of the branchlike connections between brain cells and contributes to neuronal cell death. The binges activate an inflammatory response in rat brains rather than a pure regrowth of normal neuronal cells. Even after longstanding sobriety this inflammatory response translates into a tendency to stay the course, a diminished capacity for relearning and maladaptive decision-making.

Studies have also shown that binge drinking clearly damages the adolescent brain more than the adult brain. The forebrain — specifically the orbitofrontal cortex, which uses associative information to envision future outcomes — can be significantly damaged by binge drinking. Indeed, heavy drinking in early or middle adolescence, with this consequent cortical damage, can lead to diminished control over cravings for alcohol and to poor decision-making. One can easily fail to recognize the ultimate consequences of one’s actions.

Does the research on rats have relevance for the more complex brains and behavior of humans? We have come to think so. Dr. Crews has shown that the cingulate cortex in the human brain shows signs of neuroinflammation after repeated alcohol binges, similar to that in rats. Sidney Cohen, one of the clearest thinkers and researchers on the effects of alcohol and drugs on humans (now deceased, he was at one time the director of the drug abuse division at the National Institute of Mental Health), pointed out that we are programmed as a species for accelerated learning in adolescence and young adulthood. This heightened capacity is the reason we go into apprenticeships or on to college and graduate school in these crucial years.

As Dr. Cohen noted, we not only learn specific skills during these years, with our brains having developed more fully, we also learn in a more subtle way how to deal with ambiguity. Ambiguity comes into play when the goalposts are moved. Can we change course? Can we deal with this ambiguity and with nuances?

The one piece of good news is that exercise has been shown to stimulate the regrowth and development of normal neural tissue in former alcohol-drinking mice. In fact, this neurogenesis was greater in the exercising former drinking mice than that induced by exercise in the control group that had never been exposed to alcohol.

So, some possible resolutions for the New Year:



Stop after one or two drinks. Studies of the Mediterranean diet have shown that one or two drinks on a consistent basis leads to a longer life than pure teetotaling.



If you must binge, start at age 40, not at age 16 — and always have someone else drive. Just as youth is wasted on the young, so perhaps is alcohol.



If you have binged excessively when younger, follow it up with some regular exercise. Get those brain cells regenerated.

As Shakespeare once pointed out without the benefit of studies on lab rats, “O God, that men should put an enemy in their mouths to steal away their brains!”

Paul Steinberg is a psychiatrist.
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Post by shellyza »

To answer this question simply, alchohol is forbidden because the Aga Khan knows that it is a toxin which harms people's bodies.

And our Mowla loves us very much, so he doesn't want us harmed at all. =)

I can understand why someone would ask if social drinking is okay, but in the end it will not lead to any sustaining happiness... If it did, then maybe the Aga Khan would reconsider.

So Mowla has told us its forbidden because he cares about us that much as if we are his children.
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Alcohol boosts women's cancer rates


By Sharon Kirkey, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 25, 2009

From the massive Million Women Study in the U. K. comes sobering news: when it comes to a woman's risk of cancer, no amount of alcohol is safe.

Even one drink a day increases the risk of several common cancers, including breast, rectum and liver cancer.

The risk increases for every additional drink, and the trend holds regardless of the type of booze consumed.

"Even relatively low levels of drinking -- drinking at levels we considered relatively safe for women -- increases a woman's risk of developing cancer," said Naomi Allen, a cancer epidemiologist at the University of Oxford and lead author of the study published this week in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

"It's important that women are as well informed as possible about these risks, so they can take responsible action for how much alcohol they drink."

That message takes on greater urgency with researchers warning women are drinking more like men. They're drinking more often, and heavier when they do drink, according to the Centre for Addictions Research of British Columbia. The phenomenon has been attributed to rising stress levels, more professional women with high disposable incomes and booze ads specifically targeted at women that portray drinking as fashionable and glamorous.

"From a standpoint of cancer risk, the message of this report could not be clearer. There is no level of alcohol consumption that can be considered safe," researchers from the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute in Bethesda, Md., write in an accompanying editorial.

Some studies suggest alcohol lowers the risk of cardiovascular disease. But the major cause of death "by far" for middle-aged women is cancer, not heart attack or stroke, they say.

Until now, most of the evidence linking alcohol with cancer came from studies of heavy drinking men.

Except for breast cancer, little was known about the effect of moderate drinking -- one to two drinks per day -- on cancer risk in women.

The study involved a total of 1,280,296 middle-aged women who attended breast cancer screening clinics in the U. K. between 1996 and 2001. The women completed questionnaires that asked, among other things, how much alcohol they drank on average each week.

Women in the study who drank alcohol consumed, on average, one drink per day; few drank three or more drinks per day. The drinkers were likely to be younger, leaner, more affluent and to exercise more frequently than non-drinkers.

During an average seven years of followup, 68,775 women were diagnosed with invasive cancers.

Even light to moderate drinking predicted a statistically significantly increased risk of rectum, liver and breast cancer. The researchers estimate the equivalent of a glass of wine, or half pint of beer, a day increases a woman's risk of breast cancer by 12 per cent. The risk of liver cancer increases 24 per cent with each daily drink, and the risk of cancer of the rectum by 10 per cent.

Overall, "we estimate about five per cent of all cancer in women is due to moderate alcohol use," Allen said.

© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
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ashaji iman salamat shahku[n] srevo
haram tamaku[n] varoji
shetan sharabthi duraj rahejo
to poho[n]cho dev daur
hari anant .............................


oh lord, with the faith well secured serve the lord
abandon illicit tobacco and drugs
and stay away completely from the evil intoxicants [alcohol]
then you will reach the abode of lord.
hare you are eternal ................
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US Govt Warining for Alcohol

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As per US Government warning: 1, Accoriding to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the RISK OF BIRTH DEFECTS. 2, consumption of Alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and MAY CAUSE HEALTH PROBLEMS.
Since it is quoted haram in Quran, Gita and also our beloved MHI forbidden it ( specially Mowlana Sultan Moahammad shah gave lot of Farmans on alcohol,Tobacco) nobody should start it. once you start you may be become addicted of alcohol. However, as per my thinking drinking only light Beer moderately or ocassionaly(once a while, when you are in party or have a business meeting with your business coustomers who prefer to drink during meeting time ) should be ok as long as you do not become addicted or become alcoholic. because light beer contain only 5% to 9% alcohol by volume which is very less than hard liquors which contain 40% to 60% alcohol by volume. So everyone should decide by their hearts, matter of fact everyone drink alcohold in form of medicine so nobody can claim that he/she does not drink at all.
Best answer on this topic is listen to you heart.
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Post by 786786 »

bhai agakhani

wut is wrong wid u ???


did u see any firman of our beloved imam where he said drink only light bear ??

our imam/rasool/pir said stay away from alcohol tht means stay away from it

they never said drink light bear ocassionally



and regarding alcohol in medicine ,my dear fren the alcohol used in medicine is different from that which is found in liquor

liquor is made by grapes,peach etc etc where as a medicine is made from "ethanol"

It is second only to water in importance as a solvent in medicine and is used particularly to extract active constituents from inert parts of crude drugs .This concentrates the medicinally active compounds and makes the remedy easier to dispense and consume while also improving its absorption. The compounds that normally dissolve in alcohol include alkaloids, glycosides, resins, and volatile oils but not polysaccharides, gums, sugars, or proteins. Combined with water to make a hydroalcoholic solvent, it acts as a preservative by preventing hydrolysis and inhibiting fermentation that would occur if water was used alone


alcohol is forbidden not matter heavy/light ,it is haram
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I didn't say that!

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786786,
I agree with you brother, that none of our Imam gave any farmans for drinking light beer is ok. but If you read my post carefully then you will find that I didn't say that MHI saying that drinking light beer is ok.nor he gave any Farman for his approval, here I repeat it what I wrote in my earlier post:-
Since it is quoted haram in Quran, Gita and also our beloved MHi forbidden it nobody should start it.
But drinking moderately and ocassionaly was my personal opinion you and other readers don't need to follow my personal opinion (after all in this forum we all have right to post our own opinion, so I posted my personal opinion and thinking which is not abide anybody.
I hope this will clear your and other reader's misunderstanding.
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786786 wrote:did u see any firman of our beloved imam where he said drink only light bear ??
I think either that you meant "beer" or that your taste in beverages runs to the 500-pound hairy ursine variety. In which case I salute you respectfully, because I'm not going to insult someone who can drink a small bear. :lol:
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London 1964

The other social habit to abandon for those who have indulged in already, is drinking. There is no doubt that this is one of the most ugly habits which my spiritual children can pick up. This is something which you should stop your family or your children from indulging in. There is no end for this habit, it will not give you any increased worldly happiness and certainly can give you nothing but spiritual sorrow. This is a very unpleasant habit and I condemn it as I condemn smoking, most strongly indeed.
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Great! That’s such a beautiful Farman of Mowlana Hazar Imam...

Shiraz, I am not alcoholic…nor I encourage anyone on drinking. I only drink beer, responsibly. ...just to cool off with a little buzz…and actually I kinda hate wines and spirits…because their main purpose is intoxication which I am not into. May be drinking beer is not considered such a proud or righteous habit in our community of Ismailies…but it helps me with my daily schedules and chores.

There are so many other things that we do which we were not supposed not to do…but we generally never even think about...leave alone talking or worrying about them.

And if drinking beer is so sinful then so be it…He can kill me for it. Life is worth losing...for somethings.

Anyways…it’s just …ummm…the beer....so, Mujhey duniya walo, Sharabi na samjho... ;-)
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Hey Briyani. You never said, whether you are a chicken biryani or a vegetarian biryani.
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I hate chicken…and I don’t know about vegetarian Biryani…if there is any.

I am Mutton Biryani.
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Q:Could you explain the Muslim attitude to drink? Isn't that, perhaps, puritanical?

Hazar Imam's Response: "Our belief is that the thing which separates man from the animals is his power of thought. Anything that impedes this process is wrong. Therefore alcohol is forbidden."

Sunday Times - Weekly Review Dec 12th 1965.
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Biryani wrote:I hate chicken…and I don’t know about vegetarian Biryani…if there is any.

I am Mutton Biryani.
So you are chicken, Biryani?
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Muslim liquor store owners get help with moral dilemma
A Muslim group is offering a grant to help store owners sell fresh foods instead of liquor, pork and other Islam-proscribed merchandise

Garry Berry picks through a bin of onions at Delta Foods. The store is a Muslim-owned convenience store that does not sell alcohol. It offers a limited number of vegetables. (Heather Charles, Chicago Tribune / June 2, 2010)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/ct ... 0227.story

Prescribed by his Islamic faith to pray five times a day, Mazen Materieh often prostrates himself on one of the prayer rugs in the basement of his corner store. When he is done, he returns to his perch behind the counter, where he sells liquor, lottery tickets and pork skins — all forbidden by the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad.

"I'm not justifying what I'm doing. I know it's wrong," said Materieh, 52, of Orland Park. "I'm an honest person. I don't like to be a man of two faces."

Materieh's conflict is common in corner stores across Chicago's South Side. On one hand, store owners cannot make ends meet without selling what customers demand. On the other, consuming or profiting from products forbidden by their faith is considered sinful. What's more, neighbors blame the stores for perpetuating violence, addiction and obesity in low-income neighborhoods.

Now, a coalition of Arab and African-American Muslims is offering Muslim merchants an opportunity to improve their reputations and renew their religious principles by selling fresh produce and healthy foods, especially in neighborhoods without major groceries. Along the way, they hope, store owners will think twice about selling forbidden products. The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago has provided a grant that will serve as seed money for pioneers in the campaign.

"These stores became associated with a lot of the most negative and oppressive characteristics you would want to be associated with," said Rami Nashashibi, executive director of the Inner City Muslim Action Network, which is working with stores to turn neighborhoods around. "It's not necessarily a model they developed. It's something they inherited and found themselves operating, of course, with great contradiction and tension because it's antithetical to their religious convictions."

Nashashibi and other activists are backing a bill to create an Illinois Fresh Food Fund, a proposed grant or loan program that would support grocers in neighborhoods that lack easy access to healthy foods. According to the bill, more than half a million Chicagoans — mostly African-American — live in underserved neighborhoods when it comes to proper nutrition.

The campaign offers a solution for a problem that has unfolded in urban neighborhoods across the country for years. Arab Muslims in Chicago are only the latest wave of immigrants to break into business by acquiring affordable real estate and liquor licenses, sometimes leading to tensions in the neighborhoods. For the same reason, Korean merchants in Los Angeles became the target of their black neighbors during the Los Angeles riot in 1992.

Materieh and a partner opened Sharif Food & Liquor at 5659 S. Racine Ave. after arthritis prevented him from working in construction and a halal restaurant venture didn't work out. "Sharif" is an Arabic word for "honorable."

He doesn't allow his children to help in the store, and he regularly argues with his wife, who doesn't understand how he can rationalize selling alcohol. He admits a sense of shame came over him after taking religious education classes at the Mosque Foundation in Bridgeview, where his family worshipped.

"In our religion, God loves believers and repenters," Materieh said. "If I have good trust in God, I should go and do the right thing and not feed my kids with this money. But we are human beings, and we are weak. I pray to God to get me out of it."

Sheikh Kifah Moustapha, imam and associate director of the Bridgeview mosque, preaches against haram (forbidden) business practices regularly. He bases his sermons on a verse in the Quran that implores the faithful to avoid intoxicating temptations.

"Believers, wine and gambling, idols and divining arrows are abominations from the work of Satan," the Quran instructs.

Though many Muslims defend their business practices by arguing that scripture forbids only consumption, not the sale, they are wrong, Moustapha said.

But he is not quick to condemn, as he knows the dilemma firsthand. When he first came to Chicago, Moustapha opened a halal store at 79th and Racine. Customers stopped coming as soon as they figured out liquor and lottery tickets weren't available.

"I'm not saying this to excuse or legitimize an act considered prohibited in my faith," Moustapha said. "We need to have some suggestions available on the table for those people so our advice and our sermons would make more sense."

Falah Farhoudeh, owner of Pay Less Grocery, near 69th Street and Ashland Avenue, is one of those trailblazers. Farhoudeh has never sold liquor or lottery tickets. The sandwich shop he runs out of the back of his store doesn't serve pork. But he prominently displays pork skins and soda pop at the front of his store instead of fresh fruits and vegetables.

Next month, with the grant money, he expects to install a bin for fresh produce and meats, excluding pork.

Others are eager to follow suit, including Ida Rihan, 48, owner of Delta Foods, 1158 W. 51st St., who has not yet received a grant. Rihan declines to sell alcohol or pork. Her husband was shot 10 years ago by an intoxicated gunman who stole $65. Sitting on a stool behind bulletproof glass, with a mosque prayer schedule taped next to the cash register, she cheerily greets her customers, many of whom call her Mom.

Two doors down on 51st Street, Nasheet Salah, 29, owner of K&K Foods, advertises discounts on vodka, cognac and beer. "That's a living. You've got to do it to prepare the table," he said.

Rihan doesn't judge her neighbor. She said people must decide how to balance belief with business.

She would prefer to offer fresh meat and produce regularly, but it's a choice she can't afford. She said she would welcome a grant that would enable her to upgrade her merchandise.

"It's a hard neighborhood here," she said. "I have a lot of respect for everybody, and everyone has respect for me. You have to do what you believe is right."
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Agakhani bhai wrote :
However, as per my thinking drinking only light Beer moderately or ocassionaly(once a while, when you are in party or have a business meeting with your business coustomers who prefer to drink during meeting time ) should be ok as long as you do not become addicted or become alcoholic. because light beer contain only 5% to 9% alcohol by volume which is very less than hard liquors which contain 40% to 60% alcohol by volume. So everyone should decide by their hearts, matter of fact everyone drink alcohold in form of medicine so nobody can claim that he/she does not drink at all.
What is this junk ??? What kind of faith are you trying to defend ?? You tell me iam trying to conspire something and look at you.....What is this light beer and heavy beer ?? No matter what the weight or amount of beer is if it contains alcohol its prohibited.....thats it !!!

There's a saying in hindi

" Ram kare toh chamatkaar, hum kare toh balaatkaar "

Just because you do it , its ok ??? ......and when i try to share something educational you come up with all kinds of names !!

not fair agakhani bhai, not fair !!!
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What is not fair? Read my following post which is self explanatory:-

I agree with you brother, that none of our Imam gave any farmans for drinking light beer is ok. but If you read my post carefully then you will find that I didn't say that MHI saying that drinking light beer is ok.nor he gave any Farman for his approval, here I repeat it what I wrote in my earlier post:-
Since it is quoted haram in Quran, Gita and also our beloved MHI also forbidden it nobody should start it.


Now if you take wrong interpretation then is not my fault but I deffinetly request all please do not start to drink since it is forbidden in Quran and by MHI.

Shiraz,Living in USA you definitely know what is light, regular and hard liqour, so I do not explain it here again which is already explained in my one post.

It is a beauty of this website that you can write about your own thoughts, it is not necessary to accept it if you don't like it just ignore it bro it is as simple as this.

Whatever I wrote about drinking were my own thoughts and I never forced any one to do that but if you read my above quoted sentences carefully then you will find out that I clearly oppose drinking because
it is forbidden in Quran , so forget about my thought but follow what Quran, Gita and MHI say.



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I agree with you brother, that none of our Imam gave any farmans for drinking light beer is ok. but If you read my post carefully then you will find that I didn't say that MHI saying that drinking light beer is ok.nor he gave any Farman for his approval, here I repeat it what I wrote in my earlier post:-
You dont have to repeat anything because we're not concerned about what you think, we are concerned about what agakhan wants.....If he said NO to something that means NO !!!

He never said that just because he loves us....there are several reasons behind that which you already know....and you still wanna live a life of a loser ???

Do you want all your amaal go waste ?

Since it is quoted haram in Quran, Gita and also our beloved MHI also forbidden it nobody should start it.
Then why start it ?? One source can be wrong , two can be wrong but all 3 of em are saying the same thing.....and yet you wanna drink this so called light beer....just because you sit and stand with so called "classy people" you will do whatever you feel is correct ??

Come on agakhani bhai....how do you justify your actions in the light of all 3 sources ? you know if you jump in fire you gonna burn yourself and knowing that you still wanna continue this crap ??
Now if you take wrong interpretation then is not my fault but I deffinetly request all please do not start to drink since it is forbidden in Quran and by MHI.
You have no right to say whether they should or shouldnt .....you try to take care of yourself first....1st try to teach yourself and then try to teach others !!
Shiraz,Living in USA you definitely know what is light, regular and hard liqour, so I do not explain it here again which is already explained in my one post.
Im really sorry agakhani bhai....I never tasted beer in my life nor do i wish to !!!....and iam thankful to allah for that !

Nor do i own or work in a gas station where our own brother sell haram ka stuff and say ooooo we are just selling it.....we dont drink !!!
It is a beauty of this website that you can write about your own thoughts, it is not necessary to accept it if you don't like it just ignore it bro it is as simple as this.
Ofcourse it is ! But sometimes ....somebody might take your views seriously and start doing what you do and say well light beer is kool !!!
Whatever I wrote about drinking were my own thoughts and I never forced any one to do that but if you read my above quoted sentences carefully then you will find out that I clearly oppose drinking because it is forbidden in Quran , so forget about my thought but follow what Quran, Gita and MHI say.
Oppose drinking but yet you drink !!! Bravoooo bhai ....bravoo !!!
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Oppose drinking but yet you drink !!! Bravoooo bhai ....bravoo !!!
That was my opinion that doesn't mean that I am doing that.
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Alcohol 'a major cause of cancer'
AFP - Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:58 AM EDT


PARIS (AFP) - About one in 10 cancers in men and one in 33 in women in western European countries are caused by current and past alcohol consumption, according to a study released on Friday.
For some types of cancer, the rates are significantly higher, it said.

In 2008, for men, 44, 25 and 33 percent of upper digestive track, liver and colon cancers respectively were caused by alcohol in six of the countries examined, the study found.

The countries were Britain, Italy, Spain, Greece, Germany and Denmark.

The study also showed that half of these cancer cases occurred in men who drank more than a recommended daily limit of 24 grammes of alcohol, roughly two small glasses of wine or a pint of beer.

The cancer rates for women in the same countries, along with the Netherlands and France, was 18 percent for throat, mouth and stomach, 17 percent for liver, five percent for breast and four percent for colon cancer.

Four-fifths of these cases were due to daily consumption above recommended limits, set for women at half the level of men.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has long maintained that there is a causal link between alcohol consumption and cancers, especially of the liver, colon, upper digestive tract and, for women, breast.

But few studies have tried to connect the dots across a large population between cancer rates and total alcohol consumption, or the proportion of the disease burden occurring in people who drink more than guidelines would allow.

"Our data show that many cancer cases could have been avoided if alcohol consumption is limited to two alcoholic drinks per day in men and one alcoholic drink per day in women," said Madlen Schutze, an epidemiologist at the German Institute of Human Nutrition in Potsdam and lead author of the study.

The findings also suggest that the limits set by many national health authorities may not be stringent enough to avoid the disease, she said.

"Even more cancer cases would be prevented if people reduced their alcohol intake to below recommended guidelines or stopped drinking alcohol at all," she said in a statement.

The results, published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), are drawn from the so-called EPIC cancer survey of 363,000 men and women who have been tracked since the mid-1990s.

Other risk factors that might have also led to cancer -- especially smoking and obesity -- were taken into account, the researchers said.

Nearly 44 percent of men in Germany exceeded the 24-gramme daily limit, followed by Denmark (43.6 percent) and Britain (41.1 percent).

Among women, Germany still topped the list, with 43.5 percent of women there exceeding limit, with Denmark (41 percent) and Britain (37.7 percent) coming in second and third

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